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The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by delfinom »

grezql wrote: post #14
Neil44 wrote: post #10

I can believe they’re overtaking slack because they make Teams an aggressive default install with the Office 365 client, and it’s replacing Skype for Business.

We use teams at work. Most people i know cant stand it. Its chatoix UI. 10 tabs on each «teams». Ive deleted the app. Whenever someone tags me i just open their browser app, reply and close. Even having the tab open sometimes causes cpu and memory spike and my laptop fans starts wirring. If they kill skype/lync for teams, MS is making a huge mistake. Lync and Outlook are the most distraction free softwares we use.

Lync itself is decent from a UX standpoint. But holy fucking batman, the backend for Lync is an absolute nightmare to setup and maintain. I wouldn't blame Microsoft for wanting to get rid of Lync just to be rid of it.

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by Cyphase »

dflock wrote: post #65
emptysongglass wrote: post #50

How is it that businesses get sold on these poor groupware solutions when they can: a. self-host open-source Zulip (or Matrix/Riot, which is not that good compared to plain old The Lounge IRC) totally free b. pay for hosted software that’s open-source so their information isn’t hostaged when they decide their solution is crap? I see these kinds of poor choices made all the time. People usually don’t want to do the re…

> self host ... totally free Self hosting stuff is work for someone, and either needs hardware or rented VMs - it's the opposite of "totally free". This is why this happens.

> b. pay for hosted software that’s open-source

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by B2B_human »

goda90 wrote: post #25

We recently switched from being a small team piloting Mattermost to using Teams as it rolls out to the whole company. We sorely miss Mattermost. It'll be nice to be able to reach more people in the company via chat than we could before, but everything about the UI is lacking, except maybe how replying works.

I'm sorry to hear to hear about that! Just curious, What's better about the replying in Teams? (Disclosure: I work at Mattermost)

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by crag »

emptysongglass wrote: post #50

How is it that businesses get sold on these poor groupware solutions when they can: a. self-host open-source Zulip (or Matrix/Riot, which is not that good compared to plain old The Lounge IRC) totally free b. pay for hosted software that’s open-source so their information isn’t hostaged when they decide their solution is crap? I see these kinds of poor choices made all the time. People usually don’t want to do the re…

Have you ever worked in Corporate America? Many times the decision to use something like Teams is made in an office across the country. And usually, its made with the vendor's sales team involved. This happens in government too, all the time.

You get an edict to use the software and the fun begins. I love the idea of including the CEO... have to remember that.

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by SpaceManNabs »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #3

For extra fun, block access to the telemetry endpoint and watch Teams' memory footprint bloat to crazy levels as the data accumulates and re-attempts the sending. There's some fun inspecting this data, too..

I don't use the windows partition on my laptop for this reason. Once Unity and my steam has Linux support, I never looked back. Only issue is Matlab sometimes.

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by mopsi »

bluedino wrote: post #47

Microsoft ruins Skype, then tries making their own communication tool. Ugh. What is it again that Microsoft is getting such accolades for? Visual Studio Code is fantastic. Github is great, but they bought that. Office 365? OneDrive? I'll give you those. Hosted Exchange is a thorn in my side. Internet Explorer and Edge are (were?) both a joke. I don't have any experience with Azure. Xbox is great. Their server product…

In my experience, Windows 10 is a decent OS under the hood (eg, working with SMB network shares is much more robust compared to Mac), but the GUI completely ruins the experience. Win 10 is filled with annoyances like using no less than five different visual styles for right-click context menus. Not to mention Settings app that uses the same font and color for text and clickable links: there's no way to tell buttons apart from static text.

The whole GUI feels like something very poorly thought-out and cobbled together in a hurry by students for their first major school project, and unfortunately it stains the whole OS.

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by Zigurd »

emptysongglass wrote: post #50

How is it that businesses get sold on these poor groupware solutions when they can: a. self-host open-source Zulip (or Matrix/Riot, which is not that good compared to plain old The Lounge IRC) totally free b. pay for hosted software that’s open-source so their information isn’t hostaged when they decide their solution is crap? I see these kinds of poor choices made all the time. People usually don’t want to do the re…

I have used Zulip. It was fine in an environment where it was used to communicate among coders with a pretty rigorously defined and well-tooled workflow where integration with JIRA and github are important. In this environment it doesn't matter that less geeky users will find it less friendly than Slack, and coders are always using PCs or Macs and don't care that the Zulip mobile clients are ugly.

I'm using Teams now with a small startup team. It's fine for that purpose. There aren't enough of us to annoy one another.

Slack sucks in some ways. But maybe it sucks less. Most of my clients use Slack and are happy enough with it.

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by bob1029 »

We currently use Teams and everyone on the team absolutely hates it. I am actively looking at alternatives such as mattermost or slack to get us onto something that doesn't run like complete garbage.

Also, why did this have to be developed using electron? If Teams were a native application, or even written using something on the .NET-side, we would probably have about 20% the complaints we do today. Watching an application that is more-or-less responsible for managing basic text and image data on a continuously-paginated basis occupy nearly a gigabyte of memory is simply intolerable.

Teams makes me want to write a clone just to prove how much better it could be. That is how bad Teams is. It makes me want to spend an entire month's worth of weekends writing a native clone that no one will ever use.

Re: The Horror of Microsoft Teams

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Post by pixelbath »

EpicEng wrote: post #23
pixelbath wrote: post #2

I could add so much to this, and in fact, recently closed a text file enumerating issues I had with Teams because I felt it wasn't a good use of my time, since I felt like I was the only one having problems with it. A few more points, in case anybody in the Teams team is reading: 1. Implement filters. Filters for teams, filters for channels, filters for search results. I can't filter my Files by file type, so it's a…

#3 Skype is discontinued and Teams is the replacement. That's likely why.

That is truly unfortunate. Skype isn't great, but it's specialized and far better than Teams.
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