Hong Kong Airport shuts down as protesters take over

Post by AnimalMuppet » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #54

maeln wrote: post #43

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I will add that there is now suspicion of police infiltrating protest to start violent clash: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1474213-20190812.h... I wouldn't be very surprise if it was the case as it is often a tactic use, even in our western democracies, to justify stronger and more violent police operation and also tarnish the image of the protest.

Hong Kong is a matter of national security to China. Something countries go to wars till the last man over. So what you mentioned is nothing, China has a lot more goodies in the bag. Here's one: Granting pardons or giving immunity to top criminal gangs as a long as they kill xxx revolt leaders.

Post by AnimalMuppet » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 5:43 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #103

mushufasa wrote: post #58

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They have very specific "5 demands" 1. no extradition to china 2. retract characterization of protests as riots 3. exonerate arrested protestors 4. investigate police misconduct 5. resignation of the PRC-appointed executive and... democracy they are literally protesting for democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extraditio...

> they are literally protesting for democracy Protests don't achieve democracy, voting does. If all participants in the recent protests were willing to volunteer, printing a few million ballots and distributing them to improvised polling stations wouldn't be insurmountable. The Hong Kong Identity Card means that voter ID can be implemented without access to government records, simply by assigning a range of ID number…

Post by tempeirn » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 5:49 PM UTC

tictoc wrote: post #133

Perhaps slightly unrelated, but do people believe a dictatorship like China can thrive as a first world economy by suppressing people's basic fundamental human rights?

Post by yorwba » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 6:27 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #144

yorwba wrote: post #103

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> they are literally protesting for democracy Protests don't achieve democracy, voting does. If all participants in the recent protests were willing to volunteer, printing a few million ballots and distributing them to improvised polling stations wouldn't be insurmountable. The Hong Kong Identity Card means that voter ID can be implemented without access to government records, simply by assigning a range of ID number…

Without the protests, when and how are the residents of Hong Kong going to be allowed to vote for democracy?

Post by CathayRe » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 7:51 PM UTC

bitanarch wrote: post #47

oraphalous wrote: post #17

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The protesters may not clearly understand their own endgame, but the CIA certainly understands its own... which is to precipitate an armed crackdown that diminishes Chinese prestige - giving the U.S. further leverage in the current battle for global pre-eminence that is occurring between the two powers. And no - I don't have evidence of CIA involvement, except for the somewhat co-incidental timing of the unrest relat…

The extradition law, which was proposed by CE Carrie Lam, was indeed proposed and supposed to be passed by the legislature, at around the time frame as the Trump-Xi meeting. If you infer the cause of the protests is the CIA, then CE Carrie Lam would be a CIA agent. The much more likely explanation to all these is incompetence, rather than conspiracy.