This reminds of the famous 'Whackings' scene from the movie The Casino.
Reference: https://youtu.be/m4NUFTwAlQc
Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#282Paraphrase from someone I saw on Twitter (can't find now): Most people have already jumped to the conclusion that he was murdered. That's child's play for conspiracy theorists. The real conspiracy theory is he faked his death!
The current theory is that they faked his death, they switched someone with him, who will get cremated very soon. The NY Post photo of him showed a different guy, and the meds looked also very suspicious.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#283Helped by the powerful right up to the end
Is the death penalty "cruel and unusual" punishment, or helpful? There is no way to humanely force people to tell the public what they know. This doesn't really impact the accusations against him other than preventing people from asking him questions to which he lies as a response. His suicide does not erase the evidence, nor witnesses and accusers.
It just seems like he must have had help, somehow, in order to kill himself. Regardless of his or his assistant's motivation.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
> inalienable rights Which is such a stupid phrase because most other 'inalienable rights are removed when you're incarcerated, thus they clearly aren't inalienable.
By that logic, people in concentration camps don't have basic human rights. "Inalienable" means it can't be removed. That's different from whether or not someone respects the right.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#285Wow. I don’t think I have seen a situation before where Occam’s razor doesn’t help writing off the conspiracy. It seems harder in this case to believe someone in a jail cell on suicide watch kills themselves than to believe that it was arranged (that is, at least “allowed”). It’s suspiciously sloppy.
People "on suicide watch" die all the time. It's not super rare.
One of CNN's legal analysts said in a tweet [0] that he can't recall hearing of any successful suicides happening in the prison where Epstein was detained.
I tried searching for reports or information about other suicides in Metropolitan Correctional Center - New York (MCC-NY) but wasn't able to find examples in the news. Admittedly, I didn't dig very deep and I'm completely unfamiliar with this domain. If you know of any sources showing examples of successful suicides in MCC-NY then I would be interested in learning about them.
Ideally we could review the prison's records for successful and unsuccessful suicides when on suicide watch and during regular imprisonment. The Bureau of Justice Statistics website [1] looks like it should have relevant data on this, but I'm too tired to sift through their reports tonight.
[0] https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1160224228232355841
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's indeed what happened.
I believe you, but could you cite a source on there being a camera and it malfunctioning? Because damn, this is just getting truly impossible to believe it was just a suicide.
I shouldn't have affirm it. @michaelcoudrey tweeted it yesterday, without a source, and others followed.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
People "on suicide watch" die all the time. It's not super rare.
One of CNN's legal analysts said in a tweet [0] that he can't recall hearing of any successful suicides happening in the prison where Epstein was detained. I tried searching for reports or information about other suicides in Metropolitan Correctional Center - New York (MCC-NY) but wasn't able to find examples in the news. Admittedly, I didn't dig very deep and I'm completely unfamiliar with this domain. If you know o…
> One of CNN's legal analysts said in a tweet [0] that he can't recall hearing of any successful suicides happening in the prison where Epstein was detained.
We need to be clear how they define suicide, which may not include all self-inflicted death.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
All other concerns aside, this seems pretty unenforceable without going to some ridiculous extremes.
Preventing suicide is typically reasonably easy; suicide-proof smocks exist for this reason. Obviously you don't threaten a prisoner with criminal penalties for attempting suicide, that would be really stupid. Rather, you take measures to prevent the possibility.
It's easy on relatively short term. But for anything long term wouldn't it become cruel and unusual punishment? Not to mention very expensive. With no obvious and immediate reason to do this the logistics and image of this would be a nightmare.