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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by kwhitefoot »

kentm wrote: post #73
zippergz wrote: post #36

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I know I’m the weirdo, but the big screen is something I dislike about the Model S. I’m glad to be getting options that don’t have it.

Not sure about the S, but the 3’d big screen looks really goofy to me and was a definite factor in my decision to wait for more electric car competition.

The big screen on the S and X gets rid of all the clutter in the centre console. Just look at the centre console on the I-Pace, e-Tron, and EQC 400, just a mess of screens and buttons making the interior look and actually be more cramped.

I like the assembly quality on the Magna Steyr built Jaguar but the design is too fussy for me. I prefer my S.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by 693471 »

velox_io wrote: post #147
Shivetya wrote: post #50

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I really wish everyone was competing on range rather than acceleration. Range is the number one reason I went with a LR model 3. I don't give a rats ass about how fast it gets to speed. However it is nice to see an EV with range at least in Tesla territory, granted it still is 2012 territory. I posted before, no premium brand EV should sell anything under 300 miles EPA; I use EPA as it is the one returning the lowest…

It would be great if they standardised battery packs and made them configurable. So you don't need all that weight being carried around when it isn't needed, or you could rent more batteries for long journies if you rarely travel very far, maybe exchange cells instead of charging along the journey. Two-car(+) households can pool their batteries for going on holidays etc. I don't think it will happen though. It would…

Do you intentionally drive with less fuel to save weight?

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by octorian »

kyleblarson wrote: post #60
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

Does it really matter when 80% of these will be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic on 280 near Sand Hill Road?

> Does it really matter when 80% of these will be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic

The acceleration needed to get press coverage? Absolutely not.

The other qualities of a good EV? Absolutely yes.

Having driven a Tesla Model S for several years now, I have to say that it has the best low-speed handling of any car I've ever driven. You can control it's motion very precisely in the 0-5mph range (far better than any ICE I've ever driven), and "autopilot" can do most of the "bumper-to-bumper start-and-stop" grunt work for you. Of course none of this makes for a loud press release, so it rarely gets mentioned.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by bryanlarsen »

threeseed wrote: post #137
bryanlarsen wrote: post #130

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Over $70k for a vehicle with 220 miles of range?

This isn't a computer. There is more to buying a car than a single spec. Mercedes is a fantastic brand. The interior is premium and luxurious. You don't have to worry about service, support or the company going bankrupt. And it overall is a really well designed car.

There are a small number of people who will pay the Mercedes premium. There are a small number of people who will pay a premium to get electric. The intersection of the two is not a large market, IMO.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by jaxn »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #108
jaxn wrote: post #96

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0-60 is exactly what makes interstate on ramps a blast. With a wide open ramp, it can be more like 0-80+.

Do you stop to 0 when you get on an interstate? 30-60 seems more realistic.

Yeah, there are often lights before the on ramp

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by MegaButts »

davidgould wrote: post #146
rconti wrote: post #74

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That depends on what you mean. My knee jerk reaction is, no, I don't. But they're different cars for different purposes for me (as an enthusiast). I sold the R around the time we bought the Tesla because the only thing we needed less than 1 $40k car is 2 $40k cars. (We've got 4 cars at the moment, though I'm currently at CarMax trying to get rid of one of them). The Model 3 is the first appliance car I've owned. But…

A good set of performance tires really wakes up a 3. Try a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+, (or 4S if you never see snow). I rented a 3 LR RWD for a few days and decided not to buy, but then drove the Performance and had to have it. Yeah, the brutal acceleration was part of it, but the biggest difference is how much sharper the handling is. And this is mostly down to the squashy super efficient tires on the base m…

While this is good advice in general, this literally applies to every performance car (and even every car period). The Model 3 isn't unique in benefitting from better tires any more than a Golf R.

Also, the A/S 3+ is an obvious compromise for people that don't want to rotate their tires seasonally. If you're going to recommend tires for performance, the PS4S is a good choice and then get a separate set of tires for winter. In other words if you think the tires make a difference like you wrote, you're selling yourself short driving on all season tires. Do yourself a favor and buy a set of summer tires if you're serious about how your car performs.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by jmpman »

Shivetya wrote: post #50
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

I really wish everyone was competing on range rather than acceleration. Range is the number one reason I went with a LR model 3. I don't give a rats ass about how fast it gets to speed. However it is nice to see an EV with range at least in Tesla territory, granted it still is 2012 territory. I posted before, no premium brand EV should sell anything under 300 miles EPA; I use EPA as it is the one returning the lowest…

Have you investigated dynamat for noise attenuation?

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by reitzensteinm »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #148
threeseed wrote: post #115

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> impromptu drag race with a random motorist Reckless driving like this consistently kills innocent people and most drivers who do this eventually end up losing their license or ending up in jail. Not sure it's the sort of target demographic car companies should be looking at.

>>>Reckless driving like this consistently kills innocent people and most drivers who do this eventually end up losing their license or ending up in jail. Citation needed. I can't even recall the last time street racing in this part of Japan killed anyone, let alone anyone outside the vehicle itself. The combination of more stringent licensing requirements, bi-annual vehicle inspections, and overall cost all combine…

Whatever lets you sleep at night.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

cmsonger wrote: post #98
bryanlarsen wrote: post #40

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> A properly engineered drivetrain will be able to sustain its launches over several back-to-back activations All cars designed primarily for the highway rather than the track have issues with brake heating, transmission fluid heating, et cetera, and slow down over time. The Model S is extreme in that manner, but the Model 3 slowdowns are are far less extreme than the S's limp mode. > NHTSA recently sent Tesla a ceas…

> than the new Tesla Roadster coming next year I admire your optimism. I'll buy a 2020 roadster if it's anywhere close to what they describe and released any time soon; but I'm skeptical. (They also need to put a real steering wheel on it.) But I'm thinking it's not anywhere close to their top priority right now and that 2020 may end up being optimistic. But if they get it out there, it's targeted right on top of the…

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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by brokenmachine »

octorian wrote: post #153
kyleblarson wrote: post #60

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Does it really matter when 80% of these will be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic on 280 near Sand Hill Road?

> Does it really matter when 80% of these will be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic The acceleration needed to get press coverage? Absolutely not. The other qualities of a good EV? Absolutely yes. Having driven a Tesla Model S for several years now, I have to say that it has the best low-speed handling of any car I've ever driven. You can control it's motion very precisely in the 0-5mph range (far better than any ICE…

"This car has reached the pinnacle of 0-5mph handling".

You're right, not quite so sexy for the ads, lol.

I agree, those things do make a difference. I drive a manual (stick) car with pretty rough low-speed handling. It is a bit unpleasant to drive in bad traffic.

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