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Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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One of their sister companies actually sells healing crystals: https://arkcrystals.com/

"Replicating the magnetohydrodynamics naturally occurring in a variety of astrophysical objects, which couples plasma modes to the harmonic structure of the quantum vacuum — the Harmonic Flux Resonator (HFR) replicates and transfers quantum energy."

... it says on the website and then it links on to a website which offers energy derived from vacuum:

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https://torustech.com/technology/

Is it one of those websites that is really marketing for a new sci-fi show?

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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I have somewhat sympathy for Black Hat, especially with the "pay for talks" model that they seem to get funding from, it's easy for these things to get a platform.

I went to a maker space in the UK that occasionally held talks - one day they had a talk by some "Alkaline water" machine manufacturer (not the manufacturer, but one of the pyramid scheme dupes). Like many of these, it was a random mix of diverse actual (irrelevant) science, pseudoscience bullshit, conspiracy theory (as to why this wasn't e.g. used in medicine), appeal to authority and outright fraud, gish-galloped together into one giant mess. The diversity of the actual science means that there is _nobody_ who can be an expert in all areas and so refuting can be waved away.

Many of the otherwise practically intelligent people (although a wide mix came to this space) apparently couldn't tell or didn't care. Several people actually bought machines from them.

I suppose all of this is (in these contexts) is preying on the tendency for competent scientists to automatically question their own assumptions, but even when they do most of the time it just feeds their "controversy" argument using people who would never have bought it anyway.

Con-artists continue to thrive for a reason; even with the canniest/most suspicious people there's an arbitrage on how long they can survive in one place before moving onto the next target.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

The paper is quite straightforward and use only math from the first or second year of the university. If you understand the word "module" and have 15 minutes to loose, give it a try. Ignoring the reference to unrelated results about prime numbers, the main idea is that to check if a number is prime: 1) First check the remainder modulo 10, modulo 9 and modulo 24. This part is correct, but it's suspicious that they was…

Thanks for the summary.

> First check the remainder modulo 10, modulo 9 and modulo 24.

This makes zero sense already. First, 9=3 x 3, so checking for 3 is sufficient. (Checking for 9 might be easier in decimal, but why the hell would you do cryptography in decimal?) Then there’s the 24=2 x 2 x 2 x 3. Again, why not just use 6, but even worse, there’s no new factor here that’s not already covered by 10 and 9.

(And as you mentioned, even if this works, much better primality Tests are readily available.)

(Off-topic: Is there a good way to indicate multiplication on HN? I can’t figure out how to escape asterisks, and Unicode symbols seem to be simply filtered out, which is a bit crazy in 2019.)

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

How much does your bullshit detector hit with their promo video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd_2HwAmge8

I mean - this is a pretty impressive video. Bullshit, but impressive.

How much does something like this cost to get made? This isn't exactly "I know a guy who has After Effects" level production.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much does your bullshit detector hit with their promo video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd_2HwAmge8

That video is amazing. The conference is really playing into Time AIs game by censoring it. Underlying the story that this new technology is just too big and too groundbreaking for the industry to accept :-D

It's like some Hollywood movie intro, really well made.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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"The author will show that when applying this simple operation to magical numbers, and to many other groups of numbers, an amazing world of hidden interconnections; repetition cycles; numerical symmetries; and geometrical patterns emerge. Especially when the geometrical (the circle) and the numerical aspects of the digital root world are combined together. It is in this circular/numerical world where numbers, individually and collectively, exist in their most basic, yet perfect and symmetrical states, and where the basic nine numbers are differentiated into three groups of amazing properties, which will be shown to underlie the essence of the whole universe; from the atom and its forces to the solar system and its geometry."

Right....

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, I did allude to a draft preprint of some arguments that point out the major issues with Grant's paper he is presenting at @BlackHatEvents. Here is that draft: Reviewing Recent Prime Generation Methods for Breaking Cryptographic Keys https://twitter.com/LargeCardinal/status/1159204973282025472 https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

So it sounds like the people in attendance who challenged it live were aware of it beforehand and showed up to call him out? The linked Twitter post saying "Sad to see such charlatans given a stage at Black Hat" was on August 2nd. Edit: and a paper critiquing the math was published July 2019: https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

Surely the best thing to do with charlatans is put them in the spotlight and expose them. If you refuse to "give them the limelight" then you're just letting them hide their deception long enough to rip [more] people off.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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post #18

Why did Black Hat delete it, rather than making snide comments about it? A video of people laughing at the speaker would have been great.

The speaker('s company) paid a hefty price for him to be there to present. Black Hat doesn't wanna dissuade any other potential vendors from not giving them their money.

I think dissuading these sorts of people would be a win for everybody, at least it puts the bar a little higher for the next company who is buying themselves a spot.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

There's thousands of dollars on offer for each large one and a somewhat related millennium prize.

Guess scaling is down the track for this "business"

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