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Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by segfaultbuserr »

emn13 wrote: post #19
segfaultbuserr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, selling snake-oil encryption to a group of professional infosec researchers and cryptographers? Do they even a have brain...

I'm guessing there aren't all that many cryptographers at blackhat; that's quite a different specialty, isn't it? Then again, is also pays to know enough about cryptography to at least identify poorly applies crypto, so there are likely enough people in attendance with surprisingly in-depth knowledge even if crypto isn't technically their specialty.

Yes, it was what I meant to say.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by dmix »

RL_Quine wrote: post #15
jlgaddis wrote: post #11

The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

> Well, I did allude to a draft preprint of some arguments that point out the major issues with Grant's paper he is presenting at @BlackHatEvents. Here is that draft: Reviewing Recent Prime Generation Methods for Breaking Cryptographic Keys https://twitter.com/LargeCardinal/status/1159204973282025472 https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

So it sounds like the people in attendance who challenged it live were aware of it beforehand and showed up to call him out? The linked Twitter post saying "Sad to see such charlatans given a stage at Black Hat" was on August 2nd.

Edit: and a paper critiquing the math was published July 2019: https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by sak5sk »

naner wrote: post #2

Interesting move trying to push snake-oil in a room full of SMEs.

You don't need to be a cryptographer or even in the computer science field. One look at that hilarious promo video by any layman with any common sense is enough to see total bs that it is. I couldn't stomach to watch it all the way through.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by thaumasiotes »

emn13 wrote: post #19
segfaultbuserr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, selling snake-oil encryption to a group of professional infosec researchers and cryptographers? Do they even a have brain...

I'm guessing there aren't all that many cryptographers at blackhat; that's quite a different specialty, isn't it? Then again, is also pays to know enough about cryptography to at least identify poorly applies crypto, so there are likely enough people in attendance with surprisingly in-depth knowledge even if crypto isn't technically their specialty.

> I'm guessing there aren't all that many cryptographers at blackhat; that's quite a different specialty, isn't it?

Well, it's not "quite a different specialty" in the same sense that zoology is quite a different specialty from what you would expect at Black Hat. There's some overlap between cryptography and Black Hat.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by jlgaddis »

Animats wrote: post #18

Why did Black Hat delete it, rather than making snide comments about it? A video of people laughing at the speaker would have been great.

The speaker('s company) paid a hefty price for him to be there to present. Black Hat doesn't wanna dissuade any other potential vendors from not giving them their money.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by jlgaddis »

sak5sk wrote: post #23
naner wrote: post #2

Interesting move trying to push snake-oil in a room full of SMEs.

You don't need to be a cryptographer or even in the computer science field. One look at that hilarious promo video by any layman with any common sense is enough to see total bs that it is. I couldn't stomach to watch it all the way through.

The only thing they missed in that video is a mention of "blockchain".

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by jlgaddis »

p1esk wrote: post #9

I also suspect the guy (Robert Grant) is a conman, but whatever scheme he is running is quite elaborate: https://strathspeycrown.com/team Does anyone have an insight as to what their endgame is, and where their funding is coming from?

I don't have a link handy but I came across a statement on their website earlier mentioning that they are mostly funded by doctors.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by duskwuff »

emn13 wrote: post #19
segfaultbuserr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, selling snake-oil encryption to a group of professional infosec researchers and cryptographers? Do they even a have brain...

I'm guessing there aren't all that many cryptographers at blackhat; that's quite a different specialty, isn't it? Then again, is also pays to know enough about cryptography to at least identify poorly applies crypto, so there are likely enough people in attendance with surprisingly in-depth knowledge even if crypto isn't technically their specialty.

You don't have to be a medical expert to recognize that a guy selling crystal-infused snake oil probably hasn't found the cure to cancer.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by dguido »

There's an article from PC Mag with a few more details:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/370119/black-hat-attendees-sponso...

Here's a video of Robert Grant giving an introduction to his Time AI nonsense from their party the night before:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/llp24loq5odvyhk/Crown%20Sterling%2...

JP Aumasson live tweeted their presentation at Blackhat:

https://twitter.com/veorq/status/1159559785068429312

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