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Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by tastroder »

dguido wrote: post #30

There's an article from PC Mag with a few more details: https://www.pcmag.com/news/370119/black-hat-attendees-sponso... Here's a video of Robert Grant giving an introduction to his Time AI nonsense from their party the night before: https://www.dropbox.com/s/llp24loq5odvyhk/Crown%20Sterling%2... JP Aumasson live tweeted their presentation at Blackhat: https://twitter.com/veorq/status/1159559785068429312

Do I understand those Twitter threads correctly in that BH security removed you from the room? The heck?

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by chmod775 »

dmix wrote: post #22
RL_Quine wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, I did allude to a draft preprint of some arguments that point out the major issues with Grant's paper he is presenting at @BlackHatEvents. Here is that draft: Reviewing Recent Prime Generation Methods for Breaking Cryptographic Keys https://twitter.com/LargeCardinal/status/1159204973282025472 https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

So it sounds like the people in attendance who challenged it live were aware of it beforehand and showed up to call him out? The linked Twitter post saying "Sad to see such charlatans given a stage at Black Hat" was on August 2nd. Edit: and a paper critiquing the math was published July 2019: https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

I didn't watch the talk, but if it is anything like the paper many people would be able to call bullshit on the spot, especially those who would attend such a talk in the first place.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by Twisol »

jlgaddis wrote: post #25
Animats wrote: post #18

Why did Black Hat delete it, rather than making snide comments about it? A video of people laughing at the speaker would have been great.

The speaker('s company) paid a hefty price for him to be there to present. Black Hat doesn't wanna dissuade any other potential vendors from not giving them their money.

I feel like you could make the same case for not loudly renouncing "Time AI". If Black Hat were to stand by this sponsor, I would wonder if other potential sponsors might actively withhold funds specifically to avoid being associated with "Time AI". Like the YouTube adpocalypse -- the media storm around certain kinds of content made advertisers uncomfortable with being associated with that content.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by pjc50 »

mattkevan wrote: post #38
RL_Quine wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a team page like that is your first red flag. https://strathspeycrown.com/subsidiary-companies-investments... > "Strathspey Crown is a visionary portfolio of transformational businesses, focused on the most complex sectors of healthcare, energy, and technology." This seems to be the parent company, check out some of the goofy things they claim to been involved in. Quotes like "changing the paradigm", "the inte…

Just spent the last 15 minutes reading through their websites in quiet amazement. How do they get funding? Why do people pay them? When your ‘director of cryptography’ has this in his bio, surely something’s up: > dedicated the last fifteen years to decrypting mathematical codes in Shakespeare’s writings that have revealed unknown sacred geometry hidden in the pyramids of Giza. Another of their companies sells patche…

It's like audiophiles; there's not too many people who believe it, but enough of the ones that do have enough disposable income to make a great grift.

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Post by friendlybus »

lordnacho wrote: post #31

Snake oil for sure, but this is merely a snake oil sales guy who walked into a room full of people willing to call him out. The rest of society is not so courageous. You only need to look at various management consultants, new age healers, and religion to find more people who obviously know nothing about how the world actually is, but are never held to account.

>and religion

Going to disagree with you there, you would know this guy is deliberately being manipulative with symbolism if you took understanding from religious art. He's just compressed several parts of the collective unconscious into one video without meaning for whatever dumb reason.

Time is growing more important than space, that'll be building up to 2024. The big slow interstellar style "bwooah"s have stopped and more of the billie eillish fast paced music will build up to 2024.

EDIT: anyone want to reply as well as downvote?

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Post by jacquesm »

Giving a sponsored talk at a conference that attracts a lot of experts in the field is an interesting attempt at hacking, had they gotten away with it they would have had that much more bragging rights while trying to land investor money.

Outright scams are pretty rare but I've come across them a couple of times in the last decade, it always amazes me that investors would even begin to consider them.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by chvid »

angarg12 wrote: post #37
jlgaddis wrote: post #11

The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

How much does your bullshit detector hit with their promo video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd_2HwAmge8

That video is amazing.

The conference is really playing into Time AIs game by censoring it. Underlying the story that this new technology is just too big and too groundbreaking for the industry to accept :-D

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Post by mkl »

gus_massa wrote: post #33
jlgaddis wrote: post #11

The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

The paper is quite straightforward and use only math from the first or second year of the university. If you understand the word "module" and have 15 minutes to loose, give it a try. Ignoring the reference to unrelated results about prime numbers, the main idea is that to check if a number is prime: 1) First check the remainder modulo 10, modulo 9 and modulo 24. This part is correct, but it's suspicious that they was…

It looks like all instances of "module" here should be "modulo", having been auto-incorrected or something.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by lozenge »

mattkevan wrote: post #38
RL_Quine wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a team page like that is your first red flag. https://strathspeycrown.com/subsidiary-companies-investments... > "Strathspey Crown is a visionary portfolio of transformational businesses, focused on the most complex sectors of healthcare, energy, and technology." This seems to be the parent company, check out some of the goofy things they claim to been involved in. Quotes like "changing the paradigm", "the inte…

Just spent the last 15 minutes reading through their websites in quiet amazement. How do they get funding? Why do people pay them? When your ‘director of cryptography’ has this in his bio, surely something’s up: > dedicated the last fifteen years to decrypting mathematical codes in Shakespeare’s writings that have revealed unknown sacred geometry hidden in the pyramids of Giza. Another of their companies sells patche…

I had no idea the old equidistant letter sequences trick is still alive after all these years.
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