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Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by zzzcpan »

dewey wrote: post #89
zzzcpan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is not a Russian company, it has encryption on by default and is literally famous for fighting "scary Russian government" and all those helping Russian government censor it, including the megacorps you for some reason assume are not in bed with the government. And given how fast the west is moving on backdooring mass communications, in a few years Telegram might end up as one of the few unbackdoored apps lef…

End to end encryption is not on by default, they even say that in their own FAQ. https://core.telegram.org/tsi/e2ee-simple

So? Encryption is still on by default and end-to-end encryption is a joke anyway when distribution of the app is controlled by the app developer. They can only pinky promise that it's there, but they can compromise it silently on a whim.

End-to-end encryption can be pretty useful, but just not in Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or any app with that level of control.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by pranau »

room505 wrote: post #69

What does everyone think of Microsoft Kaizala? It meets HIPPA requirements and you can backup your messages. It has a lot of group chat features. It also has a beta web chat. I've heard a lot of people in India are moving to it for personal and work chat ilo WhatsApp.

> I've heard a lot of people in India are moving to it for personal and work chat ilo WhatsApp.

I'm from India and I had to go look up what you were talking about. Literally the first time I'm hearing about this. I am also pretty sure that not many have moved to it from WhatsApp. Truth is, after so many years I am just now seeing the slow growth of Telegram amongst the city crowd.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by NicoJuicy »

zcid wrote: post #61
jjeaff wrote: post #6

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I mean, your choice is between an app owned by Facebook or an app owned by the creators of the largest social network in Russia. I'm surprised more aren't using Signal, open source, and I believe funded by a non-profit organization. With founders that are known to care about organizational transparency and user privacy.

I don't get the Russia hate. Sure they have problems as a country, but how does that affect the average user? I would think that since I don't live there I can trust Russian companies more than I can ones in the US.

Russia is much worse, trying to destabilize Western democracy.

And no, it's not FUD

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by baby »

nikivi wrote: post #2

Boggles my mind how WhatsApp is still a more popular messenger than Telegram by a long shot. Talk about network effects and people not doing their research. Or not caring about UX.

If you care about security Whatsapp is so much better imo.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by berns »

Fnoord wrote: post #79
eitland wrote: post #60

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Unlike WhatsApp that IIRC you've advertised until earlier this year Telegram doesn't upload unencrypted chat history to Google. Telegram has its issues, yes, but it would be nice if we could agree at some point that it is possible to discuss security outside the context of E2E encryption. > I'm not really snarking at you; Well I'll have to take your word for that but you have a long history of showing up on Telegram…

WhatsApp does not upload unencrypted chat history to Google for me. In fact, I don't even have a Google Account on my LineageOS device, so it can't upload to Google either...

If you're using a custom ROM or rooted phone, your messages won't be protected with end-to-end encryption.

https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/android/26000005/?category=52452...

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by ajconway »

tptacek wrote: post #17
daybreak wrote: post #14

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I like the concept of Signal but Telegram has some great features like usernames and public chat groups. In the end, better encryption by itself (Telegram rolled their own) loses out over function. Also, the owners of Telegram are not on good terms with the Russian government (its been banned before).

My routine reminder that Signal doesn't have these features because they genuinely care about privacy and metadata security, and will withhold basic messaging app features until they know how to provide them without (a) creating a database of every pair of communicating users that they retain serverside and (b) leaking information about conversations to traffic analysis. See: user profiles, GIF sharing, both with rea…

I really like the idea of Signal and try to use it as much as I can, but man it’s an ugly app. There must be a way to design the UI a bit better without compromising security and privacy.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by StavrosK »

berns wrote: post #95
Fnoord wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp does not upload unencrypted chat history to Google for me. In fact, I don't even have a Google Account on my LineageOS device, so it can't upload to Google either...

If you're using a custom ROM or rooted phone, your messages won't be protected with end-to-end encryption. https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/android/26000005/?category=52452...

Wait wait wait what? Does this mean they disable encryption, or just that the messages will be as "unprotected" as being affected with a key logger?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by StavrosK »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #93
zcid wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the Russia hate. Sure they have problems as a country, but how does that affect the average user? I would think that since I don't live there I can trust Russian companies more than I can ones in the US.

Russia is much worse, trying to destabilize Western democracy. And no, it's not FUD

By "western" you mean "US" and by "democracy" you mean "the system that elects presidents with a minority vote"?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by jdnenej »

chupa wrote: post #25
Aloha wrote: post #5

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Telegram wins for me, because desktop is a first class citizen.

Desktop is a first class citizen, so much that encrypted chats aren't supported yet.

Encrypted chats are just useless on telegram

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by StavrosK »

forinti wrote: post #11
Aloha wrote: post #5

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Telegram wins for me, because desktop is a first class citizen.

That and it's dead easy to write a bot.

It's pretty easy to write a bot for Signal too, if you're willing to run a daemon:

https://pypi.org/project/pysignald/

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