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Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by m0zg »

And notice how all mainstream media headlines use a strictly affirmative tone wrt whether it really was a suicide.

CNN: "Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide" NyTimes: "Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself in jail" ABC: "Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide"

etc etc. Just go to Google News and see for yourself. It's as if no reasonable person could possibly suspect that he was helped along, even though literally everyone was saying he will not live long enough to see trial, for months.

Lots of very powerful people (including some/all of the media owners) want this swept under the rug as quickly as possible for obvious reasons. I expect that it will be memory holed within a week at most.

If DOJ/FBI/US penitentiary is not complicit, they should take in Ghislaine Maxwell into custody at this time and put her on the suicide watch, but for real this time. And possibly also offer protective custody to some of the girls who are testifying.

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Post by gurkendoktor »

joshgel wrote: post #100
mc32 wrote: post #11

This sounds too convenient. If this was a suicide and not anything more sinister, this is gross negligence by prison authorities. It was their solemn duty and responsibility to see this person face trial. This will only inflame conspiracy theory minded people to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves. This is depressing. I’m yet hopeful evidence will be used to bring guilty parties t…

I am not a lawyer, but @klasfeldreports on twitter quotes an unnamed legal source who says: "Background: An important note after Epstein's death: no one else will have standing to challenge the search warrant on his house. Everything will be admissible against any other defendant without possibility of a motion to suppress." So maybe this will be a net good for justice?

I think that's the best-case scenario, and the worst case looks more like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux#Deaths_of_potenti...

Even the public prosecutor was suddenly overwhelmed by sadness and took his life during the investigation. Hats off to anyone who dares to touch high-profile pedophilia cases.

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Post by Nasrudith »

heymijo wrote: post #144
lobotryas wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s only an accusation. It will be up to the justice system to determine if it holds any water (innocent unless..., right?). Terrible for Marvin’s reputation though.

The injustice, is that this very much appears to be a situation where "everyone knew" but no one did anything. So okay, maybe Minsky, Clinton, Trump, or whoever didn't actually rape an underage girl or engage in sex trafficking. But they knew. That's disgusting. If someone is going to tell you that someone of Bill Clinton's magnitude doesn't know exactly who the person is whose private island he is a guest at--then t…

Who says that they actually knew about it? If they just went around telling literally everyone that sounds like a way to get busted even as a low level drug dealer - let alone as a comparative nobody vs a big name - especially with secret service protection. From the perspective of a criminal blackmailer it would make far more sense to probe interests first before getting into it.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by sangnoir »

heymijo wrote: post #140

These headlines... "Financier" Everything I have read since this came out states no one has any idea how/where Epstein made his money. And yet, the headlines read "Financier." Not convicted criminal. Suspected sex trafficker, rapist, pedophile, or anything of that nature. Everything about Epstein and this case shows the insane power imbalance between those at the top of our society and everyone else.

In the press, the alleged victims were "young women" - not "minors" or "underaged". The difference in reporting is amazing to behold.

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Post by sangnoir »

vnchr wrote: post #68
xwdv wrote: post #55

If you were in his position though why not just kill yourself off? At 66 there’s not much life left to live and what’s left is going to be pretty shitty anyway behind bars.

If I was his attorney, I would have advised he negotiate for a lighter sentence in exchange for cooperation around bringing others to justice. Standard practice. He could have gotten off with a light sentence and brought many others to justice. He’s literally done that before.

> He’s literally done that before.

Exactly - the prosecutors no longer have that capital, otherwise it would come off as getting another rich guy get away with it, again. Not to mention those involved in the last deal are already in a world of trouble.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

goatinaboat wrote: post #118
buttcoinslol wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the ultra-rich, "other parties" are other ultra-rich people. Everyone else is just an insect. I mean that in the most visceral way possible, the ultra-rich view us with contempt. edit: This is why Bernie Madoff went to prison and why basically no one went to jail over the 2008 GFC. Madoff stole from his own social class, which is a big no-no.

Madoff stole from his own social class, which is a big no-no. I don’t think that analysis tells the whole story. Elizabeth Holmes got away with a slapped wrist despite defrauding some very, very powerful people. Whereas Shkreli got jail despite returning every penny to his investors.

Shkreli didn't "return every penny to his investors". He stole money from one group to pay another group. Yes all of his investors ended up in the green eventually (because some underlying businesses were profitable), but that doesn't change the fact that he defrauded a lot of people and not "every penny" was paid back.

For example, if you invest money in a profitable business and the CEO skims a little bit off the top, you might end up making money despite that you were defrauded off some of your gains.

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Post by sangnoir »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #169
goalieca wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like trump was involved in at least one instance. I don’t think any lawyer would advise against flipping on that turd sandwich while Moscow mitch is running the senate.

There's zero evidence of this.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/women-sent-mar-a...

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by 18pfsmt »

13of40 wrote: post #20

It's an interesting question whether a person in his position has a right to commit suicide.

I read through this whole despicable thread to find an interesting comment. I can't imagine having the mentality of taking advantage of other people to satisfy personal desires and the enabling of others to do the same.

To your point, I don't think I would live very much longer than ~10 years in prison; it's unconscionable. It's also interesting in the context of this administration's allowing for the death penalty at the federal level, with some complaints about "cruel and unusual punishment" flying around as a result.

Some religions argue suicide is a sin that sends one to eternal hell.

Lots of interesting ideas surrounding this ugly chapter, the least of which is the conspiracy theories. Epstein was never a credible witness, and would not have talked anyway. There is an underlying theme of revenge (rather than justice) in some of these comments that makes me uncomfortable.

We need to get his victims very good therapy so they can heal from their traumatic experiences.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by FireBeyond »

tfha wrote: post #187
ASalazarMX wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not super common either. He was a very high profile criminal, but also a potential witness against very high profile people. Special precautions should have been taken.

And he was under 24/7 camera surveillance. If it was a clean suicide there should be video evidence.

And wouldn't you know it? "Oops, camera malfunction. We'll investigate that, too..."
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