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Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#141

Most conspiracy theories are obviously bullshit.....

Except that too many items relegated to the conspiracy heap have proven to not have been in recent months. You can't just look away. Your life depends on it. Hey, I just want to live my simple life and move on, too. But doing so means that the bad people win and if good people do nothing, it's our fault.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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post #11

This sounds too convenient. If this was a suicide and not anything more sinister, this is gross negligence by prison authorities. It was their solemn duty and responsibility to see this person face trial. This will only inflame conspiracy theory minded people to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves. This is depressing. I’m yet hopeful evidence will be used to bring guilty parties t…

Call me naive, but I would simply conclude the jailing facilities are underfunded and unable to prevent someone from committing suicide. I just can't imagine someone being able to order such a murder. There would be too many people involved and risks of getting caught.

if someone is in prison for life they have little to lose, and plenty to gain by doing wetwork for corrupt officials.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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post #11

This sounds too convenient. If this was a suicide and not anything more sinister, this is gross negligence by prison authorities. It was their solemn duty and responsibility to see this person face trial. This will only inflame conspiracy theory minded people to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves. This is depressing. I’m yet hopeful evidence will be used to bring guilty parties t…

I am not a lawyer, but @klasfeldreports on twitter quotes an unnamed legal source who says: "Background: An important note after Epstein's death: no one else will have standing to challenge the search warrant on his house. Everything will be admissible against any other defendant without possibility of a motion to suppress." So maybe this will be a net good for justice?

But his death also ends the criminal case against him, no one else was charged in the indictment. Why act on a warrant for a case that has ended? I’m definitely not an expert in criminal justice proceedings though.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

literally heartbreaking

It’s only an accusation. It will be up to the justice system to determine if it holds any water (innocent unless..., right?). Terrible for Marvin’s reputation though.

The injustice, is that this very much appears to be a situation where "everyone knew" but no one did anything. So okay, maybe Minsky, Clinton, Trump, or whoever didn't actually rape an underage girl or engage in sex trafficking. But they knew. That's disgusting.

If someone is going to tell you that someone of Bill Clinton's magnitude doesn't know exactly who the person is whose private island he is a guest at--then that person is full of shit.

Powerful people do their due diligence.

P.S. pardon my tone. I know that's out of spirit for HN, but this case...I am mad.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#145
Are you sure he was really killed himself. What if that dead body was not Jeffrey Epstein himself. What if the real Jeffrey Epstein was already been transferred out as a free man from the new York city cell, in an other face, with a new identity? This is new York city, money can made any impossible becomes possible..... Just saying, it needs more transparency to the public before anyone can believe it.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#146

Somehow 4chan knew it before media reported it: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/222518349/

cops and prison guards are /b/ros and anons too. we even had a revelation regarding a certain closed FB group that was popular with certain CBP members, it was very much in the spirit of 4chan and 8chan/pol/

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#147
post #8

This is totally not suspicious

Agreed. He has motive for suicide, too, though.

The two needn't be mutually exclusive. Someone could have been enticed to look the other way. He could have had materials made available which he properly shouldn't have, etc.

Now I'm not claiming any of these things, but I can see why there's going to be a field day with this one. That everyone saw it coming should have made it less probable, not more.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#149
post #52

Why was he not on suicide watch considering he just had a failed suicide attempt? Either that's gross incompetence or something more sinister

"Suicide watch" doesn't have a fixed meaning. People on 15 minute observations can and do die by suicide. If someone is at risk and you think obs are going to help (they don't always help, they can make things worse) you need to have them under full time obs. But even then how close does that need to be? Two staff members within arms reach 24 hours of the day, including during eat, bathing, defecating?

hanging only takes ~6 minutes until point of no return. if the neck is dislocated even immediate intervention cant accomplish much for the decedent.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So just let all the inmates out into the streets, not because they do absolutely nothing, but because they aren't perfect according to your standards. A stop the world rewrite, HN style, right? Have you ever seen documentaries of prisons in South American countries? Peru has some truly apocalyptic examples of prisons that are just walled yards with dilapidated shelters and no guards. Well, maybe a maximum of watch to…

Your comment was dead. I vouched for it, because I think the point you're making is a valid one. I'll just note that you come across very combative. HN is intended to be an environment of thoughtful and substantive discussion. I would recommend that you peruse the guidelines[0] for discussion. Some specific feedback on what I interpret as combative, and what I expect led to the killing downvotes: The first paragraph…

And to top the irony this comment is downvoted as well.

I know the guidelines say something about not talking about voting but there are times when I guess it would be good to understand the spirit of that rule instead of the letter.

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