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Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by bjoli »

brador wrote: post #155
DanBC wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People "on suicide watch" die all the time. It's not super rare.

Name two.

I can only talk about Swedish jails, but suicide attempts where People are held before prosecution and before sentencing (called arrest and häkte) are common enough. Just random googling gives me this: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sjalvmordsforsok-sker-var...

Saying that there is a suicide attempt every week in Swedish "Häkte", meaning about 52 attempts per year with an average of 9000 people in "häkte" over the course of one year. And that is only in the cases where people are actually prosecuted. There are lots of mentions of suicides in "arrest" as well.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by ada1981 »

kurthr wrote: post #73
ada1981 wrote: post #56

My default perspective on this is that he was an intelligence asset tasked with blackmailing the worlds most powerful people.

Because a well known creep with a $B doesn't already explain it? Instead we postulate an extra hundred horrible people all keeping a terrible secret... that also have terrible OpSec so they pay people off all the time. Or the "underage girls" were actually fembots designed in an underground lair by radio controlled sharks?

This perspective was reached after a discussion with a top adviser of Trump, Clinton, Obama and other world leaders.

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Post by deogeo »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #196
deogeo wrote: post #28

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'Conspiracy' is not synonymous with 'untrue'. I'd advise everyone in the comments to keep that in mind, and state things unambiguously, to avoid arguing past each-other.

I've been curious why "conspiracy theory" is used exclusively as a pejorative. Turns out that Wikipedia defines it as such: > A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable. But who gets to define what is more probable? Why not just "when there is no proof (yet)"? But I g…

Which raises the question - how do you describe an explanation that justifiably (or at least plausibly) relies on conspiracy?

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by gurkendoktor »

sushikokk wrote: post #9

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-o... Predicted by Martin Armstrong

I agree that this was predictable. Which raises the question, could outside observers (e.g. journalists, victims) have prevented this somehow by individually funding more staff to have him observed 24/7?

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Post by dondawest »

noobermin wrote: post #184
rolph wrote: post #142

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if someone is in prison for life they have little to lose, and plenty to gain by doing wetwork for corrupt officials.

What does he gain? He's dead.

Death IS the gain bro.

He probably paid those guards a lot for the right to die.

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Post by Nasrudith »

pasquinelli wrote: post #172
cpr wrote: post #128

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Do you really think there isn't a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves? It's a bit too obvious to be called a conspiracy.

I've been thinking lately about what people will and won't be skeptical about. All the horrifying stories coming from escapees from north korea, for instance, are accepted without any real scrutany. But if there is a class of powerful people that publically executes people by steam roller, why is it so hard to believe there could be a network of child sex trafficing for a powerful class of people here? Or if a child…

It isn't the magnitude of evil but the remoteness - we know about life in the United States. We don't know many details about a secretive repressive nation. There are also flaws about 'requiring far too many people to keep a secret' and some major 'game theory'. Now it is a matter of fact that he was involved with sex trafficking and corruption but there were plenty of reasons to doubt.

The story hit upon a number of other discredited conspiracy tropes and archetypes. A network of child sex traffickers resembles too much 'orderly world' conspiracy theorist family. Where there is some vast conspiracy to blame for everything wrong with the world but there is at least someone behind it and some concrete goal to 'fix it'. As opposed to a chaotic real world where there is nothing that can be done about it - sometimes some nut-job decides to do something really scary like kill the president or shoot up schools.

Not to mention the anti-semetic tropes hit upon by it when there was a simpler explanation for his contact with high level people - he was rich. Being a donor would have explained it far easier than a sex trafficking conspiracy before concrete evidence.

Frankly the 'believers' of the story did more to make less believable than any amount of spin-doctors with things like drawing tenuous connections to anyone who ever met the guy being a pedophile.

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Post by BubRoss »

pasquinelli wrote: post #172
cpr wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think there isn't a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves? It's a bit too obvious to be called a conspiracy.

I've been thinking lately about what people will and won't be skeptical about. All the horrifying stories coming from escapees from north korea, for instance, are accepted without any real scrutany. But if there is a class of powerful people that publically executes people by steam roller, why is it so hard to believe there could be a network of child sex trafficing for a powerful class of people here? Or if a child…

No one doubts that there people who would do it, it is more about how widespread criminal networks could be without blowing up.

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Post by nradov »

lobotryas wrote: post #134
whymauri wrote: post #58

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literally heartbreaking

It’s only an accusation. It will be up to the justice system to determine if it holds any water (innocent unless..., right?). Terrible for Marvin’s reputation though.

The criminal justice system obviously isn't going to put Minsky's corpse on trial. There won't be any legal determination made.

It might be possible for the victim to sue his estate in civil court but the odds of success there seem low.

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