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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by hef19898 »

outericky wrote: post #91
kylec wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deliveries of the Taycan start this year

ok. Deliveries of the model 3 started in 2017. But it took a while to reach critical mass. And some countries still haven't gotten them. EDIT: "Prices for this ‘Turbo’ launch model will be around £130,000 with cheaper/slower versions kicking off around £65,000 within 18 months of the car’s launch in late 2019. " So... maybe we'll see some in 2019, but really it's 2021 before more than a few thousand hit the market.

I would assume Porsche to be able to launch a car with an equivalent of production hell, so.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by herova »

outericky wrote: post #79
clouddrover wrote: post #3

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> I think this is the first car that is nearing the 2013 tesla model s. They're aimed at different things. The Taycan is a performance car, the Model S isn't. The Model S is uncompetitive with the Taycan around a race track, for example.

I never really understood this comparison. 99% of owners will never see the track. So why do we care so much about track performance?

Not in Germany, which is most valuable market for Porsche.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by xedeon »

clouddrover wrote: post #10
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

If you try to drive a Tesla Model S like a performance car it just overheats: https://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-tha... https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-aroun... Here's a Model S losing to a Nissan Leaf over 14 laps: https://insideevs.com/news/359903/video-nissan-leaf-beats-te... Porsche doesn't want to be in line with that.

Let's see, you're comparing a full sized EV sedan that was was developed in 2012 and was designed to be as practical as possible with still awesome performance range and storage.

Just an anecdote..I bought an 8 foot door from Lowe's and it comfortably fits in my Model S by just folding the rear seats. Even the store attendants were amazed and took several pics while we were loading it (also fits in a Mode 3 btw).

A performance Model 3 is more suited for track purposes since it's a newer design.

Here it is being driven at the track by the legendary Randy Pobst:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aywleQX5lyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWbdk28azQ

Even then, the Model 3 is based on a 2016 design, while the Taycan is still actively being developed.

So not really sure what argument you're trying to point out here.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#104

Post by xedeon »

CrazyStat wrote: post #41
steelframe wrote: post #26

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Oops, you've accidentally presented hard facts criticizing Tesla in a tech forum and have been summarily downvoted! Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick. It produces a number to prop up a marketing blurb. "Fastest production car ever!" Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Mode…

>Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Model 3′s safety rating. Ten months ago, though it has been in the news again the last few days as the letter and response were just released. The blog post in question is still up, which means the NHTSA either backed off after Tesla's response…

Because those documents were from 2018 and nothing came out of it after Tesla responded with data and "facts" provided by NHTSA themselves.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by xedeon »

hef19898 wrote: post #101
outericky wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok. Deliveries of the model 3 started in 2017. But it took a while to reach critical mass. And some countries still haven't gotten them. EDIT: "Prices for this ‘Turbo’ launch model will be around £130,000 with cheaper/slower versions kicking off around £65,000 within 18 months of the car’s launch in late 2019. " So... maybe we'll see some in 2019, but really it's 2021 before more than a few thousand hit the market.

I would assume Porsche to be able to launch a car with an equivalent of production hell, so.

The big question would be where will they source all of those batteries?

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#106

Post by schwap »

MrFoof wrote: post #81
gsnedders wrote: post #33

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Also Porsche are fairly well known for being very conservative with their published 0-60/62 numbers.

The reason for this is Porsche's 0-60/0-62 times are intended to be reproduced in less than ideal conditions, and with great repeat-ability For example, 105F/40C air temps on a concrete surface (low-friction) with some amount of sand. Or 15F/-10C on a concrete surface. And you can do that back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back... for an hour (with say 50 standing starts), non-stop. You'll see little variation i…

> And you can do that back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back... for an hour (with say 50 standing starts), non-stop. You'll see little variation in the result, and the car won't throw up its hands and say the party's over until it takes a rest.

Funny you say that, Road & Track did exactly that in 2014 with a Porsche 911 Turbo[1] and they were able to do 61 back-to-back launches.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by ehnto »

eastendguy wrote: post #86
davewritescode wrote: post #31

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They’re also stressing repeatability of 0-60 acceleration where Tesla reports 0-60 on nearly full batteries. The Model3 performance consistency is better than the model s because they improved the cooling system but performance drops off quickly after a couple of runs. I expect the Porsche to deliver consistent performance because that’s what they’ve been talking about for the last 3 years. Specifically, the referred…

Yeah, but I usually don't want to accelerate 10 times, but only once in a while (e. g. after a red light). It is totally useless, but great fun in Tesla.

A Porsche like this is going to be built with motorsport in mind. So you expect to buy your Porsche and be able to srive around on the streets but also take it to a local track day. In that context, it needs to perform consistently lap after lap else you can't compare and improve your driving and the whole experience is just a bit deflated.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by Ididntdothis »

jaxn wrote: post #96
tomp wrote: post #48

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Sure, but not 0-60 acceleration. The joy of driving a Porsche is that you can kick donw th pedal at 130 km/h and still feel the force of acceleration pushing your body into the seat.

0-60 is exactly what makes interstate on ramps a blast. With a wide open ramp, it can be more like 0-80+.

Do you stop to 0 when you get on an interstate? 30-60 seems more realistic.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by xedeon »

clouddrover wrote: post #16
mikeash wrote: post #12

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The performance version of the Model 3 does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and by all reports it’s an excellent track car.

The Taycan has done sub-8 minutes at the Nürburgring Nordscheleife according to Mark Webber ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHEdaRhF1k ). What's the Model 3's best time?

0-60 times is a more useful metric as 99% of real people drive cars on public roads. Nürburgring "times" is more of an impractical wet dream for most people who mention it.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by FireBeyond »

leesec wrote: post #80
Ididntdothis wrote: post #30

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0-60 is pretty useless and easy to achieve. Good handling is much harder to achieve and requires more development. I would expect a Porsche to handle much better than tesla.

Should try driving a Tesla, they handle amazingly.

Drive an Audi, or a Porsche. You'll realize how... muddy... Tesla handling is.
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