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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

carwyn wrote: post #68
Shivetya wrote: post #50

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I really wish everyone was competing on range rather than acceleration. Range is the number one reason I went with a LR model 3. I don't give a rats ass about how fast it gets to speed. However it is nice to see an EV with range at least in Tesla territory, granted it still is 2012 territory. I posted before, no premium brand EV should sell anything under 300 miles EPA; I use EPA as it is the one returning the lowest…

I really wish everyone was competing on efficiency. Most journeys require nowhere near the range capabilities of current EVs, instead carrying around excess weight when not required. Similarly on the acceleration side, other than showing off, why do we need cars that can do 0-60 in 2-3 seconds? Those kinds of g-forces are certainly not pleasant for passengers.

I agree that nobody needs fast 0-60s but they’re just fun. Now, for the range thing, that’s no different from why you want a fast CPU even though 99% of the time you’re using 1% of its power, or why bridges are built to withstand many times their rated maximum load etc. You want to be prepared to deal with demanding situations. In this case that’s something like your family vacation that you maybe don’t want to buy an extra car for.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by ratsbane »

hw wrote: post #61
sorokod wrote: post #32

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Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection Is that true? I would have thought that the most Tesla owners care about is how far they can project their image of wealth and sofistication

I would have thought that the most Tesla owners care about is how far they can project their image of wealth and sofistication Unless you're getting the high end variants of the S and 3, it's not really projecting wealth and sophistication, but rather the opposite. I bought a Model 3 because it just makes more sense financially than say getting a BMW 3 series.

I agree. I see the Model 3 as a Honda Civic that just happens to drive better than a $250,000 car from ten years ago.

The Model 3 is an extraordinary car, but the most extraordinary thing about it is that it's available to anyone for <$50k.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by kentm »

zippergz wrote: post #36
tyfon wrote: post #2

I think this is the first car that is nearing the 2013 tesla model s. I'm also curious about the rapid charge, it was supposed to be 350 afaik but is launching with 150ish only (not 250 as in the web page) and will be increased with software updates in the next few years. I think if they put a proper infotainment system with a big screen like tesla, give free map/system updates and it doesn't suck in efficiency it mi…

I know I’m the weirdo, but the big screen is something I dislike about the Model S. I’m glad to be getting options that don’t have it.

Not sure about the S, but the 3’d big screen looks really goofy to me and was a definite factor in my decision to wait for more electric car competition.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by rconti »

MegaButts wrote: post #69
rconti wrote: post #62

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Disappointing, and 30-90? Nah. Even my RWD non-performance Model 3 with only 250hp or thereabouts 'feels' faster than my 300HP Golf R did from, say, 70-100mph. I admit, it absolutely feels relatively "out of breath", so to speak, above 95mph, but that's nothing HP can't solve. I'm not saying there's no need, ever for a multi-speed transmission in an EV, but for 99% of the vehicles, it's likely pointless.

Do you like the Model 3 more than the Golf R?

That depends on what you mean. My knee jerk reaction is, no, I don't. But they're different cars for different purposes for me (as an enthusiast). I sold the R around the time we bought the Tesla because the only thing we needed less than 1 $40k car is 2 $40k cars. (We've got 4 cars at the moment, though I'm currently at CarMax trying to get rid of one of them).

The Model 3 is the first appliance car I've owned. But I went into this eyes wide open; it was the right decision at the time and it's still the right decision. The R I basically stopped driving when I got a new job where I biked to work for a year. The Model 3 was a replacement for my wife's 175k mile Subaru, and we bought it immediately after my company was acquired and we started carpooling together. The 3 is a better commuter/appliance more suited to 2 drivers who trade off, cheaper to run, gives us HOV lane access on the rare occasion where one of us drives solo, and my wife hadn't driven stick since she lived in Australia many years ago so she didn't really show interest in driving the R.

The R was my (other) fun car, with all the euro goodies on it. It was fantastic everyday runabout, fun car, roadtrip machine that could eat miles like nobody's business. The 3 is, again, an appliance. I don't really like sedans, but I wanted an EV, and I like Teslas, but could never justify spending the coin for an S.

Given infinite money and space, I'd still have the R, too. Though I'd probably never drive it, because it's so easy and convenient to just hop in the Tesla and go, any time, anywhere. It never has to warm up, it never needs me to stop at the gas station before I run my errands, hell, I don't even need a key.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by usrusr »

Lendal wrote: post #27
navigatesol wrote: post #13

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Because 0-60 times are just one facet of performance. Why aren't Tesla dominating Formula E? Or hill climbing?

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection. They won't ever be needing high-G turning ability on a city street, nor any other maneuver that would be too dangerous on a city street with pedestrians and bicyclists around. Tesla seems to have played their cards very well.

Neither do they need three-point-anything accelerations in the environment you describe. The only thing that makes it not a bad thing is that they don't have to trade much (if any) efficiency at more modest loads to achieve this, very much unlike their ICE brethren who want similar numbers.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by outericky »

pencal wrote: post #75

just by the looks of it, this already beats the ugly Tesla

Not everyone likes the look of a Porsche either. But thanks for the opinion.

Here's to taking more ICE cars off the road. A world of quiet, zero emissions cars on the road sounds good to me. The sooner everyone can get their hands on one, the better.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by outericky »

clouddrover wrote: post #3
tyfon wrote: post #2

I think this is the first car that is nearing the 2013 tesla model s. I'm also curious about the rapid charge, it was supposed to be 350 afaik but is launching with 150ish only (not 250 as in the web page) and will be increased with software updates in the next few years. I think if they put a proper infotainment system with a big screen like tesla, give free map/system updates and it doesn't suck in efficiency it mi…

> I think this is the first car that is nearing the 2013 tesla model s. They're aimed at different things. The Taycan is a performance car, the Model S isn't. The Model S is uncompetitive with the Taycan around a race track, for example.

I never really understood this comparison. 99% of owners will never see the track. So why do we care so much about track performance?

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by leesec »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #30
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

0-60 is pretty useless and easy to achieve. Good handling is much harder to achieve and requires more development. I would expect a Porsche to handle much better than tesla.

Should try driving a Tesla, they handle amazingly.
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