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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by hw »

sorokod wrote: post #32
Lendal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection. They won't ever be needing high-G turning ability on a city street, nor any other maneuver that would be too dangerous on a city street with pedestrians and bicyclists around. Tesla seems to have played their cards very well.

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection Is that true? I would have thought that the most Tesla owners care about is how far they can project their image of wealth and sofistication

I would have thought that the most Tesla owners care about is how far they can project their image of wealth and sofistication

Unless you're getting the high end variants of the S and 3, it's not really projecting wealth and sophistication, but rather the opposite. I bought a Model 3 because it just makes more sense financially than say getting a BMW 3 series.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by rconti »

davewritescode wrote: post #29
pmcollins wrote: post #5

It has a two-speed transmission, which should help with high-speed performance. https://insideevs.com/news/343827/porsche-taycan-2-speed-rea... But one of the advantages of an electric car for me is the possibility of no (variable) transmission. I don't want clutches that are constantly wearing down as I drive. For me this is not about money or maintenance headaches, but about elegance.

Running electrical engines at lower speed should in theory reduce wear, especially at autobahn type speeds. If you’ve ever driven an electric performance car one of the most disappointing things is comparing 30–90 vs 0-60. Arguably the latter is more important because the typical on-ramp is generally 30 mph and highway traffic around me is traveling at 75+

Disappointing, and 30-90? Nah. Even my RWD non-performance Model 3 with only 250hp or thereabouts 'feels' faster than my 300HP Golf R did from, say, 70-100mph. I admit, it absolutely feels relatively "out of breath", so to speak, above 95mph, but that's nothing HP can't solve.

I'm not saying there's no need, ever for a multi-speed transmission in an EV, but for 99% of the vehicles, it's likely pointless.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by martin_bech »

endorphone wrote: post #49
steelframe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oops, you've accidentally presented hard facts criticizing Tesla in a tech forum and have been summarily downvoted! Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick. It produces a number to prop up a marketing blurb. "Fastest production car ever!" Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Mode…

"Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick." I live in a rural exurb area. Every spring-fall weekend features parades of supercars of the various supercar clubs. Million dollar plus vehicles. All driving at 60km, driving no differently than the Corolla that accidentally turned into their procession. Because it's all party tricks. These people aren't racing these cars, but are just sitting on potential . As an aside,…

Exact same what? Teslas batteries are Panasonic, not LG.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by rconti »

steelframe wrote: post #26
clouddrover wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you try to drive a Tesla Model S like a performance car it just overheats: https://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-tha... https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-aroun... Here's a Model S losing to a Nissan Leaf over 14 laps: https://insideevs.com/news/359903/video-nissan-leaf-beats-te... Porsche doesn't want to be in line with that.

Oops, you've accidentally presented hard facts criticizing Tesla in a tech forum and have been summarily downvoted! Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick. It produces a number to prop up a marketing blurb. "Fastest production car ever!" Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Mode…

I don't disagree with a lot of your points, but seriously, the Model S is ancient tech in the EV world.

As someone who actually GOES to racetracks, last time I was at Laguna, we had 4 Model 3s and 2 S. Absolutely the S has overheating issues. They're also very old.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by endorphone »

martin_bech wrote: post #63
endorphone wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick." I live in a rural exurb area. Every spring-fall weekend features parades of supercars of the various supercar clubs. Million dollar plus vehicles. All driving at 60km, driving no differently than the Corolla that accidentally turned into their procession. Because it's all party tricks. These people aren't racing these cars, but are just sitting on potential . As an aside,…

Exact same what? Teslas batteries are Panasonic, not LG.

Sorry, exact same technology. If LG were using some new process, chemistry, technology, etc, it would be interesting, but otherwise it is effectively fungible.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by WhompingWindows »

wrycoder wrote: post #55

I got as far as $130,000. Edit: £

Given the extremely limited numbers they'll be putting out, I'd be surprised if that price point was too high. Seems that Tesla has the 45-100k range well covered, but they don't have a sports car variant and that's why I think a limited volume 130k is decent idea for Porsche to get its feet wet.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by ratsbane »

navigatesol wrote: post #13
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

Because 0-60 times are just one facet of performance. Why aren't Tesla dominating Formula E? Or hill climbing?

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/teslas-model-s-jus...

Formula E, Goodwood, etc. are open to non-street legal cars - the designs are purpose-built for racing and Tesla doesn't have a factory race team.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by carwyn »

Shivetya wrote: post #50
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

I really wish everyone was competing on range rather than acceleration. Range is the number one reason I went with a LR model 3. I don't give a rats ass about how fast it gets to speed. However it is nice to see an EV with range at least in Tesla territory, granted it still is 2012 territory. I posted before, no premium brand EV should sell anything under 300 miles EPA; I use EPA as it is the one returning the lowest…

I really wish everyone was competing on efficiency. Most journeys require nowhere near the range capabilities of current EVs, instead carrying around excess weight when not required. Similarly on the acceleration side, other than showing off, why do we need cars that can do 0-60 in 2-3 seconds? Those kinds of g-forces are certainly not pleasant for passengers.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by MegaButts »

rconti wrote: post #62
davewritescode wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running electrical engines at lower speed should in theory reduce wear, especially at autobahn type speeds. If you’ve ever driven an electric performance car one of the most disappointing things is comparing 30–90 vs 0-60. Arguably the latter is more important because the typical on-ramp is generally 30 mph and highway traffic around me is traveling at 75+

Disappointing, and 30-90? Nah. Even my RWD non-performance Model 3 with only 250hp or thereabouts 'feels' faster than my 300HP Golf R did from, say, 70-100mph. I admit, it absolutely feels relatively "out of breath", so to speak, above 95mph, but that's nothing HP can't solve. I'm not saying there's no need, ever for a multi-speed transmission in an EV, but for 99% of the vehicles, it's likely pointless.

Do you like the Model 3 more than the Golf R?

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by usrusr »

Shivetya wrote: post #50
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

I really wish everyone was competing on range rather than acceleration. Range is the number one reason I went with a LR model 3. I don't give a rats ass about how fast it gets to speed. However it is nice to see an EV with range at least in Tesla territory, granted it still is 2012 territory. I posted before, no premium brand EV should sell anything under 300 miles EPA; I use EPA as it is the one returning the lowest…

The beefy motors allow a larger fraction of the required braking to go through recuperation, so it should help range as well (assuming somewhat constant efficiency at partial load).

I do wish for a more reasonable EV marketing than the "guilt-free bigger better faster" that we currently see, but technological properties are not in favor of minimalistic EV. The efficiency penalty for overpowered ICE cars was much bigger than that of overpowered EV, but even they never stopped getting more overpowered each iteration.

PS: at least focusing on acceleration goes counter to "just strap on another ton of batteries" tactics. IMHO two tons of technology for transporting one or two persons on land is too much, even if the powersource was rainbows and butterflies.

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