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Who Owns Huawei?
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#292There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…
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#293There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…
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#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel that if the NSA were to ask for much of Google’s data right at this moment there isn’t anything Google could do, and I’m not even that sure that they would want to do anything. The same goes for FB. If they decide not to comply then both of these companies might risk being broken up or worse, so why risk it? The bottom line is that if you decide doing anything against the current US powers that be (like harass…
This past week a woman yelled loudly about stabbing Mitch mcconnell in the neck outside his house as part of a large crowd. It became a hot-button topic but no one fell out of an 8th story apartment window. The NSA does not have a mandate to do what you’re describing, they face extensive civilian oversight and programs like their metadata collection were extensively debated in public. Are there exceptions? Yes; but t…
>This past week a woman yelled loudly about stabbing Mitch mcconnell in the neck outside his house as part of a large crowd.
Presumably people protesting against Putin or the people from Tiananmen Square weren't all asking for peaceful elections, I bet there were some protesters among them who were literally asking for Putin's or Deng Xiaoping's heads, that's what I meant with "vigorously protest". It's understandable that some people in the US would want to "vigorously protest" against people who they think are directly liable for other's people deaths, as I presume that lady thinks of the likes of Mitch Mcconnell.
As per the NSA mandate and the "civilian oversight", that's what I meant with "right at this moment". I think what you're describing was generally true until 2 or 3 years ago (yes, even after the Snowden leaks), but I'm afraid things are not the same in the current political climate.
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#295There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…
To be fair, most of innovation in America also comes from the public sector not the private one. Economist Mariana Mazzucato famously wrote about this and more in her book "The Entrepreneurial State: Debunking Public vs. Private Sector Myths" which I highly recommend if you're interested. I think it's a little misguided to say that China's innovation is solely due to corporate espionage. States have always been effec…
This is a meme that has been adopted by leftists wholesale. The basic premise is that since any innovation can be somehow tracked backed to government investment, the government is somehow responsible for most innovation.
It disregards the whole process that is required to take insights from research into a real product.
Yes, the internet was developed by the military. Only when private enterprise took over did it become valuable to society as a whole.
Yes, the iPhone builds on technology that originated from public research, just like all the cellphones before it. However, it wasn't a government committee that decided how to assemble all these technologies into something that people were ready to pay $1000 for.
We have lots of evidence that that the government is in fact a terrible entrepreneur that builds terrible products and services. One can point at the awful primary/secondary education, or at the DMV, or perhaps at the rollout of healthcare-dot-gov.
Even the "communist" Chinese government understands that private enterprise is the way to economic prosperity, it just disagrees on the degree of state control.
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#296There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…
I'm sure they do it, but I'm also pretty sure everyone else is doing it too, to some extent at least - FSB, NSA, BND, DGSE and Mossad were all previously accused of it. And not just industrial espionage, but also of providing contacts, logistics and actively lobbying in emerging markets for their national companies to get the best deals, which also often includes corruption and gray-zone private deals with local government officials. As someone who lives in one of those countries I've heard some pretty grim stories.
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#297So, in light of all I'm reading here about how much the Chinese state is really in control of their tech sector, can we still say that Bitcoin is decentralized?
Here is the current Bitcoin hashrate distribution:
https://www.blockchain.com/en/pools
(20%) BTC.com - owned by Bitmain, a Chinese IC design company founded in the first quarter of 2013, which specializes in research, development and sales for custom mining chips and miners.[0]
(12%) F2Pool - a Chinese mining pool, also referred to as "Discus Fish".[1]
(11.8%) Poolin - a multi-currency mining pool. Started by the founders of BTC.com.[2]
(11.6%) Antpool - also owned by Bitmain.
That's 55.4% of the network controlled by Chinese mining companies, which I would assume have a similar structure to Huawei?
[0] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitmain
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#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
> once company took off, they had to "share the technology" with some state companies that then produced the same thing cheaper and knocked the original company out. Without knowing the details, this sounds more efficient and potentially fairer for the society. It allows for information and innovation to flow in the industry, rather than a single company making absurd amount of money only because they can keep it sec…
In general, this tends to kill innovation as nobody bothers starting anything new (no rewards, instead punishment for success).
I’d say there are pros and cons. One consequence of lax IP laws is that competitors will rapidly converge on the same set of popular product features. When everyone has the same set of features, innovation and the ability to distinguish oneself from the competition becomes a matter of life and death. Resting on one's laurels behind a warchest of patents is not an option.
This is particularly true of a playing field as large and as cutthroat as China, where at any given time there are thousands of competitors jostling for dominance of even the most minuscule of niches.
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#299There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…
I'm sure they do it, but I'm also pretty sure everyone else is doing it too, to some extent at least - FSB, NSA, BND, DGSE and Mossad were all previously accused of it. And not just industrial espionage, but also of providing contacts, logistics and actively lobbying in emerging markets for their national companies to get the best deals, which also often includes corruption and gray-zone private deals with local gove…
True. The analyst says the fusion centres model is relatively unique and quite “good” tho. He seems particularly impressed with it and how effective it is at “piping down” information.
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#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, most of innovation in America also comes from the public sector not the private one. Economist Mariana Mazzucato famously wrote about this and more in her book "The Entrepreneurial State: Debunking Public vs. Private Sector Myths" which I highly recommend if you're interested. I think it's a little misguided to say that China's innovation is solely due to corporate espionage. States have always been effec…
This is a meme that has been adopted by leftists wholesale. The basic premise is that since any innovation can be somehow tracked backed to government investment, the government is somehow responsible for most innovation. It disregards the whole process that is required to take insights from research into a real product. Yes, the internet was developed by the military. Only when private enterprise took over did it be…
True. I believe the idea is more that Government does a TON of basic R&D, while private industry is not that good at doing 10-20 year programs while Government can do pretty decent things with it. I don’t think it’s an either/or, it’s more of an argument against deciding government should leave all R&D to private industry, which might not be as good at it as a superficial analysis might make appear.