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FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by iamnotacrook »

kennywinker wrote: post #53
mikejb wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to understand motive, and check for potential involvement of others. And whilst they have a metric shit-ton of spying capabilities on US civilians, those are not really intended to avoid crime. (Maybe the shift of perception of what is terrorism might change that, though)

He posted a manifesto online. Think his motive was pretty clearly outlined in it.

You're thinking of mass shooting 2019/247, not mass shooting 2019/248. (Yes, we're up to more than one a day on average now)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by gmueckl »

iamnotacrook wrote: post #101
kennywinker wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He posted a manifesto online. Think his motive was pretty clearly outlined in it.

You're thinking of mass shooting 2019/247, not mass shooting 2019/248. (Yes, we're up to more than one a day on average now) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

I have no words that let me express my opinion of politicians that are willing to let this go on in a way that doesn't blatantly violate the rules of this site.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by treebeard901 »

ben_w wrote: post #52

Is the American government position “Guns don’t kill people, encryption kills people”, or am I just combining the personal opinions of a bunch of unrelated people who work for the government?

Whatever happens, let's hope we never begin encrypting our video games.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by mtgx »

djsumdog wrote: post #25
SimeVidas wrote: post #20

Why is it important that the FBI can access that person’s phone?

I'm wondering this too. The person already killed a bunch of people. The person is dead. What more to they hope to gain? Some secret cell of others? Unlikely .. and if there is, why not regular warrants, wiretaps, e-mail searches, etc. They already have sooo many tools they can use, both with a warrant and bypassing it via FISA. They had all this domestic spying stuff and still couldn't prevent the shooting! They get…

Yes, but somehow the government believes that not having access to the phone's data is much more dangerous!

What a load of BS. If anything, it's all the mass surveillance they do that should have prevented him from shooting people up. But of course it doesn't work like that because mass surveillance = real time noise. Mass surveillance, if anything, can be useful only after the fact, because you already know the crime has been committed, it's no longer an algorithm predicting a "chance" of something happened, multiplied by millions of people, giving you thousands of false positives at any moment in time.

But the issue is, this after the fact thing is also what makes it much easier to abuse, as the government can just target anyone they feel might upset them at any point in the future, since they already have everyone's data.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

#105

Post by janOsch »

iamnotacrook wrote: post #101
kennywinker wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He posted a manifesto online. Think his motive was pretty clearly outlined in it.

You're thinking of mass shooting 2019/247, not mass shooting 2019/248. (Yes, we're up to more than one a day on average now) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

This list gives me shivers...is the USA a scary, uncivilized country?

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by incompatible »

I take it that without the phone data they can't prove that the "suspected gunman" was the person who committed the crime? Perhaps the next suspected gunman will destroy his phone before the crime, or maybe not own one in the first place, so perhaps destroying or not owning phones needs to be made illegal.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by FakeComments »

janOsch wrote: post #105
iamnotacrook wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking of mass shooting 2019/247, not mass shooting 2019/248. (Yes, we're up to more than one a day on average now) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

This list gives me shivers...is the USA a scary, uncivilized country?

Yes.

The Democrat’s policy of de-policing for crimes committed by blacks has made some areas in the USA significantly less safe.

The vast majority of those shootings are incidents between or involving gang members, predominantly black.

Notice how often Chicago, IL makes that list?

Chicago alone is twenty incidents — which isn’t surprising, considering its reputation for gang crime. But a single city accounting for nearly 10% of mass shootings is a culture problem in that city — not a general problem with firearms or nationwide violence.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by euroclydon »

Causality1 wrote: post #16
rayiner wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Let’s take away a specifically enumerated constitutional right to better protect, maybe, one that appears only in the “penumbras” of the document.

I honestly don't know what your position is because the right against unreasonable searches and seizures and right to arms are both specifically enumerated in the fourth and second amendments, respectively.

I believe he’s talking about “the right to privacy”

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by frittig »

iamnotacrook wrote: post #101
kennywinker wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He posted a manifesto online. Think his motive was pretty clearly outlined in it.

You're thinking of mass shooting 2019/247, not mass shooting 2019/248. (Yes, we're up to more than one a day on average now) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

I find lists like those very disingenuous. For example look at source 25 "During an attempted home invasion, shots were fired and four people were wounded". In other words, four criminals tried to rob a home but the resident of the house shot 4 of them and three of them are in the hospital and one has been released to jail.

I wouldn't categories that incident along with the two recent "actual" mass shootings.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Post by mastry »

sehugg wrote: post #12

“It is prudent to anticipate that a major incident may well occur at any time that will galvanize public opinion on these issues ... Whether we end up with legislation or not, the best course for everyone involved is to work soberly and in good faith together to craft appropriate solutions, rather than have outcomes dictated during a crisis.” -- AG William Barr, July 23 2019 "Never let a good crisis go to waste" -- W…

>> "Never let a good crisis go to waste" -- Winston Churchill, probably

Possibly, but Rahm Emanuel said it about 11 years ago [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk

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