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Google Will Become an AI Company

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Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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The time-frame for auto driving cars is actually more difficult to predict than that for general adaptive robotics because of the regulatory and social issues involved. I'm sure it will be decades not centuries though. My prediction is that robotic servants will be common place in homes by the 2020's and that almost all manual occupations will be replaced with automation during that decade. I have no idea how society…

> almost all manual occupations will be replaced with automation during that decade Unions will just go quietly into the night?

At most unions only have any power whatsoever in traditional manufacturing corporations. They're practically non-existent in the service sector. If someone wants to start a company that fully automates the manufacture of iPhones or an automobile, how could unions stop him ?

Technical obstacles, financial obstacles - sure. Government obstacles - maybe. But unions ?

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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> almost all manual occupations will be replaced with automation during that decade Unions will just go quietly into the night?

If we can make food, medicine, and shelter almost free with the help of automation, then people would no longer need jobs to meet their survival needs.

I agree. What I have trouble seeing is how we will transition from a society where most people's share of economic production is based on employment to one that really doesn't need many humans to produce goods.

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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Google's CEO doesn't think pilotless planes are possible by 2030: http://www.longbets.org/4 . Part of his reasoning: the FAA changes so slowly that if this were even all possible, the adoption and certification would all take at least 50 years. I don't see why the same wouldn't be true (perhaps on a smaller scale) for the auto industry.

Current airliners are exactly as driverless as Google's cars: they have an autopilot that does virtually all of the flying, with one or two human pilots set to take over in case they have to, just as the driverless cars Google is developing have a human driver set to take over in case they have to. (That's what makes them compatible with CA state law, as Google has been field testing their driverless cars for some ti…

I was under the impression pilots currently play a critical role in take-off and landings. Is this out of date?

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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Contrary to what you may think, I was being thoughtful of this but did not think it required rehashing. You however, exactly reiterate my point, you didn't do any due diligence, just put certainly in italics. How about some facts instead? Simply go to maps.google.com and search for Chicago, IL to New York, NY. Ok, 14 hours trip currently. Now, let's take a premise of 200 miles per hour. Now, tell me, can you travel 2…

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Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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It's a little strange, because another trend directly competing with automatic cars is telecommunications. If it were possible and culturally acceptable for all white-collar workers to telecommute full-time, all of a sudden there would be half as many cars on the streets. If there were efficient, cost-effective, and prompt delivery systems for local goods like groceries, there would be half as many again. It's concei…

Offices are cheaper per person to run and provision than individual dwellings due to the extra density of workers, so this trend depends on the tradeoff between the energy saved by reducing travel and the energy spent heating/cooling/running individual home offices. On the other hand, many countries are dealing with ageing populations. Self-driving cars will give the elderly and the disabled a level of autonomy that…

But given that the homes exist anyway, from a pure monetary basis the home office ends up winning pretty much every time. (To be sure, not everyone has a home office they'd be comfortable working in full-time.) The issue, one of them anyway, is that F2F communication is a lot more interactive, higher bandwidth, and encourages unstructured interaction. I do a lot of conference calls and other forms of telecommuting but it's still enormously useful to go into the office a good chunk of the time.

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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Did no one stop to think about this? It is extremely far-fetched at best. >safety regulations could be greatly relaxed. No, at least not if the author's vision of 200mph average speeds is to be taken. When a mistake or malfunction happens at that speed, safety mechanisms will be imperative. Furthermore, having a mechanical car does not prevent: someone else running into you, a deer running in front of the car, etc. >…

Some or all of it may end up being B.S. After all, where's my flying car. But much of it may end up being true. In 1975, someone told me that everyone would some day have their own, personal phone number, that was just for that person, and I thought that was pretty far fetched. Who really knows?

Remember that people mocked the Wright brothers. The ideas in this link may be very relevant to this discussion: http://amasci.com/freenrg/arrhenus.html

"Theories have four stages of acceptance: i) this is worthless nonsense; ii) this is an interesting, but perverse, point of view. iii) this is true but quite unimportant. iv) I always said so." - J.B.S. Haldane, 1963

"All great truths began as blasphemies" - George Bernard Shaw

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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Did no one stop to think about this? It is extremely far-fetched at best. >safety regulations could be greatly relaxed. No, at least not if the author's vision of 200mph average speeds is to be taken. When a mistake or malfunction happens at that speed, safety mechanisms will be imperative. Furthermore, having a mechanical car does not prevent: someone else running into you, a deer running in front of the car, etc. >…

do you see parents sticking their 6 year olds on the subway just because they can? Maybe not 6, but certainly 8 year olds are quite capable of using public transport and happily do so in many parts of the world. I know I was taking the bus to the library when I was 8 or 9 and the train into town when I was 10, and that wasn't strange in the slightest.

Regarding independence of young children, Penn and Teller did a fascinating episode about stranger danger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfrSoiaLixg The full episode is on Netflix. You may not agree with all the ideas, but watching the full episode probably won't be boring to you if you feel strongly about this topic one way or another.

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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Contrary to what you may think, I was being thoughtful of this but did not think it required rehashing. You however, exactly reiterate my point, you didn't do any due diligence, just put certainly in italics. How about some facts instead? Simply go to maps.google.com and search for Chicago, IL to New York, NY. Ok, 14 hours trip currently. Now, let's take a premise of 200 miles per hour. Now, tell me, can you travel 2…

http://xkcd.com/386/

I wrote a big counter-argument before remembering my oft-ignored rule about avoiding stupid arguments online. My apologies for wasting your time. I'm sure we both have better things to do.

Re: Google Will Become an AI Company

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post #14

Self driving cars are 15 years away. The self driving cars will have to deal with the chaotic human drivers, and this will require Strong AI. Once we have this, driving around will be one of the small issues of the day.

Strong AI is 15 years away?

I'm not saying its impossible, but that's pretty ludicrous to state as fact. Even many enthusiastic Strong AI proponents would hesitate to give such an aggressive bound.

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