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This, and western countries exploited that weakness and turned China in a protectorate with actual warfare, etc.
> industrialized countries Japan isn't western.
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1.4 may not be accurate, but nearly every child is educated. 9-year compulsory education is the lowest standard across the country. The number fighting for survival is very small compared to the whole population (the recent number is 20 million). Now the government's poverty line is <400$ annual income, and the gov has the goal to eliminate this absolute poverty in 2020. The current path is different from the last 30…
People tend to significantly overvalue the executive branches power combined with the worst cases you hear in the news when evaluating the freedom of the average person in a country. The economic freedom indexes can be quite surprising compared to popular perception. But still I read something like 1 in 4 people are party members whether directly or indirectly. That’s a whole lot of people directly involved in the sn…
Re: China’s liberalization and structural reform drives growth
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
People tend to significantly overvalue the executive branches power combined with the worst cases you hear in the news when evaluating the freedom of the average person in a country. The economic freedom indexes can be quite surprising compared to popular perception. But still I read something like 1 in 4 people are party members whether directly or indirectly. That’s a whole lot of people directly involved in the sn…
there are 90 million party members among 1.4 billion people. I don't know how to count indirect party members. But I don't think that is near 1/4, that's too exagerating
I’m sure that number is a bit inflated but the reach of the party at the local and individual level is quite significant.
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#94Western society rose to prominence because of a few values: respect for property rights, intellectual property and personal freedom. America is far from perfect but was based on these ideals. It's maybe a simplistic view of the world and East vs West... But the recent HK protests can be rationalized through this lens. I think respect for intellectual property and human rights will determine whether China continues it…
China is moving forward due to the same scientific temperament, may be need to supplement more moral education to build a balance. But that's a normal process given it took out 1.4 billion people out of poverty and making them one of the largest middle income economy and slowly moving towards developed.
You can see an example in India where all values you described are part of its constitution (probably the only nation where there is a chapter on human rights in its Constitution) and government proclaim to protect it. Still has one of the highest poverty levels in the world. India needs more scientific temperament to come out of its religious tribal mentality and need more science education.
The problem you described of Hong Kong is its own making where people accepted living in prison cell size house and rely on get rich quick scheme when China was closed which doesn't work anymore. So it's just paying the price of its own choice.
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Different dialects of Chinese you mean, and mandarin works well enough in most places as China also has a lot of transplants. You could love and work in Chengdu without without speaking sichuanese, for example. In India, the unifying language is English, though it isn’t as widespread in India as mandarin is in China.
> Different dialects of Chinese you mean No, the use of the term “dialect” is propaganda from the diversity-denying central government; describing Chinese languages as “dialects” is a gross abuse of the English word “dialect”, comparable to saying that French, Portuguese, and Romanian are all just dialects of Latin. “Chinese” consists of many mutually unintelligible languages (hundreds?), each of which has multiple d…
Re: China’s liberalization and structural reform drives growth
#96Western society rose to prominence because of a few values: respect for property rights, intellectual property and personal freedom. America is far from perfect but was based on these ideals. It's maybe a simplistic view of the world and East vs West... But the recent HK protests can be rationalized through this lens. I think respect for intellectual property and human rights will determine whether China continues it…
Western societies rise to prominence is due to acceptance of scientific temperament with a balanced moral view looking beyond religion and tribal mentality. They challenged the established religious groups and tribal rules. Traveled across oceans and built global trade. Property rights and all you described are just means which are just subservient not the main reason. China is moving forward due to the same scientif…
The India you're talking is India who got depleted, sucked, trampled country after 2 centuries of British hegemony. Stop your illogical and thinly vieled racism to justify why countries like India are the way they are like.
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#97As someone from China I kinda feel like we are a developed country when I learned I am making more than my peers in UK #GameIndustryPeasant
My experience with China is that certain parts are 100% first world, but other parts are 100% 3rd world, with many places inbetween. Whereas the difference between the poorest & richest Brit while significant is nothing compared to the difference between the poorest & richest Chinese.
UK was the oppressor and had all the riches in the world. Infact I feel so bad w.r.t to UK despite conquering, looting so many countries some significant percentage of population lives in poverty.
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Western societies rise to prominence is due to acceptance of scientific temperament with a balanced moral view looking beyond religion and tribal mentality. They challenged the established religious groups and tribal rules. Traveled across oceans and built global trade. Property rights and all you described are just means which are just subservient not the main reason. China is moving forward due to the same scientif…
Western countries rose to prominence because they were built on Slaves, Colonies and Industrial revolution which was byproduct of World Wars. The India you're talking is India who got depleted, sucked, trampled country after 2 centuries of British hegemony. Stop your illogical and thinly vieled racism to justify why countries like India are the way they are like.
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#99China has a population of more than a billion people, the 3rd largest landmass controlled by a single sovereign entity. The only question is how they managed to fall so low that they weren't a competitive superpower. It is entirely possible that we don't know what the reason for China's rise is over the short term. I wouldn't trust any article written in English to understand the ins and outs of China's special econo…
Your question is insightful. I think a major reason that China once fell so low is the Qing dynasty secluded itself from the outside world, and didn't catch up with the industrial revolution. So in 18xx-19xx, China was still an agricultural civilization and western countries have stepped into modern industrial form. And we know as to production efficiency, (non-modern) agriculture vs industry is like fist vs bombs. B…
The US/UK has had anti-Chinese policies since the early 1800s leading to the modern day (people we celebrate were some of the biggest opium dealers in the world). Teddy Roosevelt (inheritor of a drug dealing fortune) even used the Japanese to sabotage China again when he was president in 1900s when he authorized Japanese expansion into Asia with a secret treaty.
Re: China’s liberalization and structural reform drives growth
#100Western society rose to prominence because of a few values: respect for property rights, intellectual property and personal freedom. America is far from perfect but was based on these ideals. It's maybe a simplistic view of the world and East vs West... But the recent HK protests can be rationalized through this lens. I think respect for intellectual property and human rights will determine whether China continues it…
It's old fashioned but they extracted $45 trillion from India alone, think about how much was taken from Africa and China....also at it's peak opium deals in China accounted for 35% of the UK's GDP (expect similar numbers in the US)...
Explanations of western growth that exclude economic history seem suspicious to me, a lot of the true story & criminality is hidden in the numbers.
Of the few ways to avoid the Malthusian trap, the West did it by robbing people at gun point.