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The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#151
Big thanks to dang and sctb. You’re doing an impossible job, and doing it as well as two humans can. As others have said, this makes HN the best forum left on the Internet.

I want you to know your efforts aren’t wasted or invisible to me. I am very appreciative of the tough work you both do.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know that downvoting is "reflexive" - certainly any time I've been downvoted it was, on reflection, fairly well justified.

Not the person you're replying to but I wrote a script to track when I got upvoted and downvoted and that parsed my comment tree for the past 24hr. The highest downvote to upvote ratios and highest downvote to comment tree depth increase (i.e. discussion happening) occur in the time periods of 12-1 and 3-4 US East coast time by a factor of about 2. Those are actually the only hours of the day when my account personal…

Do you remember how you got the upvote/downvoted signal? We're you just polling the API and looking at the score?

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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Shout out to dang! You're doing a great job! Thank you! Strict moderation is the reason HN is the only reasonable discussion forum remaining on the internet. I wish good moderation was a skill that more people learned - would you ever be interested in writing a guide or teaching a class on moderation?

Is it just Strict moderation or Members with a common goal of making this place a good / fair place?

From the article, quoting @dang:

What does seem to work better is personal interaction, over and over and over again, with individual users. That, case by case by case, seems to move the needle. But it’s very slow.”

I think the guidelines are a great way of encouraging us all to be more thoughtful to others comments, and have noticed a difference in the way I might comment HN.

Often I kill my comment before I actually click "Reply", especially if I know my comment will be too divisive, or if it doesn't add to the quality of previous comments.

Sometimes I upvote a comment because it helped me question/ change a personal dogmatic view.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#154
post #12

Interesting that only 2 people can moderate million users

As the article goes "The most admired arguments are made with data, but the origins, veracity, and malleability of those data tend to be ancillary concerns.", let's see what we can do here.

The latest HN comment dump I could find with a quick search was from May 2018 [1].

There were 237,646 comments in total that month, made by 36,358 unique users. 75% of users posted 5 or fewer comments, with a median of 2. The most prolific user wrote 798 comments, dang managed 6th place with 425 comments.

Even if the numbers doubled since then, there is no need to moderate millions of users, as only (well) tens of thousands of them are actively participating.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/datasets/comments/6v685o/complete_h...

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#155
post #135

>The site’s now characteristic tone of performative erudition—hyperrational, dispassionate, It's a good article overall, but it would be nice, just for once, to read something in a mainstream "arts and culture" outlet that wasn't absolutely dripping with fear and contempt for anything related to tech culture.

Seems like an accurate assessment, wouldn't you say? I mean it also describes the New Yorker perfectly too for that matter

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#156
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of readers, the amount of active commenters is much lower. In addition, HN doesn't get much of the "classic" troll crowd (no matter if 4chan/8chan/outright real Nazis/gamergate) or Trump supporters - from the occasional politics thread aside, there's nothing much of interest for them here, and so the biggest blocks of trolls simply stay away.

Still... I wonder how many messages are reported per day. BTW, I don't get why you're being downvoted...

>troll crowd (no matter if 4chan/8chan/outright real Nazis/gamergate) or Trump supporters

this is why.

"If you voted for Trump, you're at best a troll but most likely a Nazi"

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#157

Since account creation was disabled, I'm sure it's the easiest moderation job going.

I always make a fresh new throwaway account here every time I make a post, and,so, by this post you can deduce yourself. This is a zero-minute account, as all my accounts are. You're welcome.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#158
If the author is reading this, I would really enjoy hearing what the story pitch process for this was like. Even if it punches above its weight in terms of "mindshare", HN is still niche as far as tech subjects go. And, in terms of online communities, boring as hell compared to Reddit, 4/8chans, and even Usenet. The angle of focusing on the two human mods – particularly in the context of contemporary online content being associated with algorithmic moderation – is a good one, but still seems niche for the New Yorker. OTOH, it would definitely be a more obviously attractive pitch to Ars Technica or WIRED.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#159
post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the response is different because if a man’s achievement is highlighted, the fact that a man did it isn’t highlighted, which isn’t exactly the case for women (apparently a woman in the team suffices for an achievement to be credited to a woman), making these two kinds of articles about fundamentally different things: “X was achieved” vs. “A woman achieved X”. One of these is far more loaded politically and henc…

Studies show otherwise, and I think that the gut reaction of those who read that discussion also shows that at least some developers felt that way, if not in general, then at least in that particular case. Also, that women's participation in software has drastically decreased since the eighties to the point they're now a small miniority is just a fact, and so focusing on them is natural, if not justified. Various cau…

> Studies show otherwise

That’s a bold claim.

> the gut reaction of those who read that discussion also shows that at least some developers felt that way, if not in general, then at least in that particular case.

I can’t follow you here.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

#160

I think the HN culture is slowly dying. Reflexive downvoting has become very common as of late, the eternal September is brining in more people steeped in political hivemindedness. That isn’t to say all is lost, but this site feels markedly different from the beginning of the decade.

Then the beginning of the decade yes... but really not any different over the past 7 years or so (source: HN reader since the beginning).

2007-2012: The first 5 years everything was new and cool and shiny and we were just going thru the economic crash.

2012-2017: growth and scaling. Slightly more political posts, but that's mostly because tech and politics mix a lot more then the previous 5 years.

2017-present: stabilization. An even mix of similar articles, voting sentiments, repetitive opinions. The main thing missing is actual NEW ideas. We get tropes on "AI will rule the world", "10 reasons we need universal basic income", "why self driving will/will run the roads in 5 years", "FANG is evil", etc... all very predictable dicussions.

The revolution will not come from Hacker News : )

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