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Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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“In April, when a story about Katie Bouman, an M.I.T. researcher who helped develop a technology that captured the first photo of a black hole, rose to the front page, users combed through her code on GitHub in an effort to undermine the weight of her contributions.” This is an odd statement as it implies the purpose was to undermine. Reading code and critiquing isn’t meant to “undermine” but to identify truth and co…

The reason people were trawling through her Github contributions and comparing them to other members of the team she worked with, and then posting about lines of code as if that's a measure of the value of someone's contribution to a project, was absolutely to undermine her work and show that she wasn't deserving of credit (despite the fact she was repeatedly quoted saying it wasn't all her and that it was a team eff…

She was deserving of credit.

She did great work, and so did dozens (hundreds?) of others on that project.

She wasn't deserving of the level of credit that the media gave her when they cast her as the star, visionary, and quasi-leader of the whole enterprise.

Nobody was ever against Katie. They were against the way the media handled the story - by slanting the story to advance a political agenda that had nothing to do with the discovery itself, and then calling everyone who had a problem with that sexist while entirely eliding their own role in the controversy.

It was entirely a conflict between the media and the people calling out the media for obvious bias. As always, the media's response was to build a narrative where their critics were just trying to hurt [insert victim/victim group here].

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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> The site’s now characteristic tone of performative erudition—hyperrational, dispassionate, contrarian, authoritative—often masks a deeper recklessness.

I recently started contributing on another online community, a Slack, and I've found the rhetorical habits I've unwittingly cultivated creating a weird sort of mood. Nothing I'm saying is wrong, but HN has managed to make me somewhat oblivious to tone.

It's exactly as she describes, 'reckless'. I dare to go places that will rile people up. The silence that met my initial posts was deafening.

I initially wanted to retreat back to my familiar communities, Quora, HN. But I've never backed down from this kind of challenge before and I'm not about to now. I'm slowly managing to discover better 'hygiene' so I can fit better into this particular community of wonderful people.

But I wouldn't give back my participation in HN for anything. More than any other place I've ever found, HN makes me feel like I belong.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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I think the HN culture is slowly dying. Reflexive downvoting has become very common as of late, the eternal September is brining in more people steeped in political hivemindedness. That isn’t to say all is lost, but this site feels markedly different from the beginning of the decade.

How do you know that downvoting is "reflexive" - certainly any time I've been downvoted it was, on reflection, fairly well justified.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still... I wonder how many messages are reported per day. BTW, I don't get why you're being downvoted...

I do. The direct call-out of a specific group of people for their position on the political spectrum is pretty much directly against what (I think) we're trying to do here. It's unnecessary, too. Could have just left it at "classic troll crowd".

Eh. I read it less as "general people that happen to support the current administration" and more as "posters on t_d," which is a very different thing in my mind, and yea, does point to users that are inherently trollish/toxic.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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Congratulations to "paulmd" for getting a flagged comment cited in The New Yorker! ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13094354 is the comment, which I find entirely reasonable but obviously people disagreed, or at least it was considered off-topic)

Really surprising to see that comment, which, full disclosure, I agree with, get flag-killed. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it get a few downvotes. But rarely have I ever seen a thorough, well-sourced, and civil comment actually be flag-killed. If anything, the shallow replies to his comment are the type of things that typically seem to get downvoted (though not necessarily flagged either).

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not judge the post by the insightfulness of the content, rather than the domain from which it originates?

When you're looking at a page of 30 links, the signaling value of a domain is useful. Medium is a low-barrier place to publish, and has discovery built in, so it ends up attracting a lot of bad writing and promotional material. That, combined with the degraded reading experience, is why I am happy to judge a book by its cover in this case.

I've found the majority of content on medium.com to be so useless that I now run a plugin in my browser to block medium.com from my DDG results.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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Shout out to dang! You're doing a great job! Thank you! Strict moderation is the reason HN is the only reasonable discussion forum remaining on the internet. I wish good moderation was a skill that more people learned - would you ever be interested in writing a guide or teaching a class on moderation?

> Strict moderation is the reason HN is the only reasonable discussion forum remaining on the internet

Not at all. It's rather the community that makes it a reasonable discussion space. Most people here understand that this is not Reddit and that proper answers are needed when you interact with other members. Of course moderation is useful and necessary in certain cases, but it's certainly far from being the key factor here.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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This article does seem to get at the essence of HN, appreciative of dang and sctb's humanity while not ignoring the problems. Personally, I would actually consider it an excellent demonstration of the fallibility of one of HN's favourite tropes, Gell-Mann amnesia. If there's one critique that I believe is paramount it's that HN has, due to its readership, an ethical obligation that goes beyond making discussions all…

... the HN readership is in a position of power, and shouldn't routinely be spared the anguish of being reminded of their responsibility.

What kind of power do you think we have? We can't even convince our friends and family to stay the fuck off of Facebook. Aside from the fact that some people from our industry have a shitton of money I don't see us having any kind of social influence.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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>For decades, the phrase “Eternal September” has been used to describe the tipping point for a message board or online community—the inclusion, or invasion, of new users who dramatically change the existing subculture.

I’m guessing that’s why this article was written.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News

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I think the HN culture is slowly dying. Reflexive downvoting has become very common as of late, the eternal September is brining in more people steeped in political hivemindedness. That isn’t to say all is lost, but this site feels markedly different from the beginning of the decade.

I am afraid you are correct. As popularity rises, degredation of discussions(and never-ending o-t tangents) increase. A write-up of the quality mods in the New Yorker will not change that tide, IMO.

It's not "goodbye" yet, but nevertheless, thanks for all the fish, Dang!

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