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Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by astrodust » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

diamondo25 wrote: post #85

astrodust wrote: post #81

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There's also M.2 "M key" and M.2 "B key" because why not have two different types of connector in your brand new standard. There's also "M+B" which reminds me of the days of CD-RW and CD+RW with CD+/-RW thrown in to try and unify things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 This is annoying because some dual M.2 adapter cards have one of each, so you can't use two M-type cards in it.

Because this fixes the issue of "i plugged it in but it doesnt work" issue, as you already know it wont work because it doesnt fit. Kinda like DDR slots

If DDR memory had screws I'm not sure we'd be happier. We'd be bitching all the time about the freaking tiny screws that kept getting lost in the case.

I can't think of another standard made so deliberately difficult to install. A distant second is the 6/8 conductor PCIe power connectors that are a giant pain to use. Why couldn't they just force 8 for everyone and be done with it? Instead we have these crappy split connectors.

Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by astrodust » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

bayindirh wrote: post #90

astrodust wrote: post #80

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If only engineers working on that sort of product had some kind of way of using a plastic tab or something to hold things into place. Like have lunch with the memory socket or PCIe people and talk shop.

I was shopping for an Apple 2013 SSD to PCIe or SATA converter yesterday, and I've found that some adapters have a configurable clip on the PCB instead of a screw. You insert the clip on the PCB according to the size of the SSD and viola.

Someone buy that engineer a beer.

Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by pathartl » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

Ididntdothis wrote: post #76

bufferoverflow wrote: post #54

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Who cares about laptops and tablets? They already have fast ports. You already can put a real NVMe drive into a USB enclosure and get ridiculously fast external storage. This new form factor would be perfect for cameras that shoot RAW video or high-bandwidth video. Until recently you'd need to buy very expensive and fast SD cards or proprietary RED mags to be able to record high quality high resolution video. BMPCC4K…

What’s the power needs of an SSD vs an SD card?

A PCI-E based SSD will definitely require more power.

Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by diamondo25 » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 6:07 PM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #91

diamondo25 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this fixes the issue of "i plugged it in but it doesnt work" issue, as you already know it wont work because it doesnt fit. Kinda like DDR slots

If DDR memory had screws I'm not sure we'd be happier. We'd be bitching all the time about the freaking tiny screws that kept getting lost in the case. I can't think of another standard made so deliberately difficult to install. A distant second is the 6/8 conductor PCIe power connectors that are a giant pain to use. Why couldn't they just force 8 for everyone and be done with it? Instead we have these crappy split c…

I think it was made due to laptops. Everything has to be flat. Using clips like on DDR wouldnt really "fit" as then youd have a waste of space, and DDR is a generic component nowdays. The other option is to use PCI-E cards, of course.

Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by astrodust » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 6:28 PM UTC

diamondo25 wrote: post #94

astrodust wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If DDR memory had screws I'm not sure we'd be happier. We'd be bitching all the time about the freaking tiny screws that kept getting lost in the case. I can't think of another standard made so deliberately difficult to install. A distant second is the 6/8 conductor PCIe power connectors that are a giant pain to use. Why couldn't they just force 8 for everyone and be done with it? Instead we have these crappy split c…

I think it was made due to laptops. Everything has to be flat. Using clips like on DDR wouldnt really "fit" as then youd have a waste of space, and DDR is a generic component nowdays. The other option is to use PCI-E cards, of course.

Make a screw-sized clip. Done.

Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by RandomInteger4 » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

nextos wrote: post #47

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #35

I can definitely see the perks of the form factor here, and totally see SSD cooling hardware as being the next big thing, and it sounds like they're prepared for that here. But I mourn how fast the interface format is changing now, because I don't have the hardware to support all of these formats. I've got a handy USB to SATA adapter that did the job for, I don't know, a decade and a half, and now there's eight diffe…

I think this new format is nice because it requires no tools to install, like most other components e.g. RAM. In contrast, current M2 NVMe have this annoying screw that requires a fairly specialized screwdriver and tends to get stuck in some motherboards. Not a good design. So Toshiba's new form factor looks like a step forward.

I just built a new computer and didn't seem to have an issue that I can remember installing the M.2 NVMe storage. Now I'm slightly worried I might have missed something, lol.

Granted, I've had a set of tiny screw screw drivers for a while now, so maybe that's what you're referring to? These screw drivers aren't that specialized, are they? They're still just Phillips-head, right? Just smaller?

Re: Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor

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Post by 95014_refugee » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #2

Wonder if we'll see these on the Raspberry Pi 5 and other embedded boards? This is pretty amazing; much better than the current eMMC and SDCard based storage solutions on a lot of dev boards.

Never happening on something in the RPi price range; that socket will be far too expensive.