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Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Let's not forget that the Islamic world was key (though not alone) in preserving our scientific and cultural knowledge. At that time, Islamic society was quite modern and tolerant - and even often the destination for persecuted religious groups such as the Jews in Spain. It is absolutely clear that modern Islam is, in fact, much more "conservative" than it used to be in the beginning. Indeed, the very beginning of Is…

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Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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arab is not used as an ethnicity but refers to someone who speaks arabic as a mother tongue. In the same way, that North africans refer to themselves as Arabs although genetically they are less than 50% Arab.

> In the same way, that North africans refer to themselves as Arabs although genetically they are less than 50% Arab. Not sure where you got this from, here in Morocco, calling a Berber an Arab is a pretty sure way to piss him/her off.

Tunisia, Lybia. 99% of Tunisians self identify as Arabs

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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This is the reason its called Islamic Civilization. Most of its scientist weren't Arab. Arabic dictionary wasn't even written by an Arab. But as I have noticed many people don't feel comfortable to reference a religion, so they go with race. But find it interesting that we label these scientist based on their origin, not the place that gave them all the reasons to become all they were capable of becoming.. This is li…

If Brin lived in Russia, spoke Russian, and wrote books in Russian we wouldn't call him American just because he wrote a few books in English too. Perhaps you're not familiar with the history of that part of the world, but the individuals that I named were Persian speakers, who lived in a region that is called the Greater Iran today, and wrote most of their work in Persian. But in all fairness, Arabic was the lingua-…

> If Brin lived in Russia, spoke Russian, and wrote books in Russian we wouldn't call him American just because he wrote a few books in English too.

But if he spoke Enlgish, had an English name, lived his professional life in America. and most of his major works were in Enlgish.

I'd supposed you'd call him an "Anglophone" academic, which is the sense that Arab is used in.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Arab refers to the people living in the Arabic world. If you were to bind it by an ethnicity, most of the people living in the Arab world "Today" would not be Arabs. From Wikipedia: Arabs are a population inhabiting the Arab world.

> From Wikipedia: Arabs are a population inhabiting the Arab world. Also from Wikipedia: Persia, present day Iran, is not part of the Arab world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world

This is the Arab world today, not at that time.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Arab refers to the people living in the Arabic world. If you were to bind it by an ethnicity, most of the people living in the Arab world "Today" would not be Arabs. From Wikipedia: Arabs are a population inhabiting the Arab world.

namirez's point is that the historical people mentioned are Persians being called Arabs. And there are Persians that would take offense to this association.

> And there are Persians that would take offense to this association.

Believe me, it's the same here in North-Africa and Arabs are really loathed. But again, it's a nomination that's often mistaken for an ethnicity.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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most of it was mathematics they learnt from translated books from Sanskrit , Prakrit ( In India ) and Mandarin(Chinese) . None of it was original Arab work , most of Arab historians who came along with invaders have mentioned in detail how learned people were taken in as slaves to translate works in arabic

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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most of it was mathematics they learnt from translated books from Sanskrit , Prakrit ( In India ) and Mandarin(Chinese) . None of it was original Arab work , most of Arab historians who came along with invaders have mentioned in detail how learned people were taken in as slaves to translate works in arabic

What do you mean none of it is original, we are talking about a 400 years of process here, science always takes inspiration from all prior studies, do not discredit thousands of scientists that actually inspired western science. Also they were Muslim scientists different ethnicities, e.g Persian, Turkic and definitely Arabs as well.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Title is slightly misleading! Most of them are Islamic but not Arabic. Khawrazmi [1], Karaji [2], Khayyam [3], and Tusi [4] were all Persian. Ibn Haytham wrote only in Arabic though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Karaji [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharaf_al-D%C4%ABn_al-%E1%B9%A...

you mean Iranian right? "Persian" is a colonial term

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Title is slightly misleading! Most of them are Islamic but not Arabic. Khawrazmi [1], Karaji [2], Khayyam [3], and Tusi [4] were all Persian. Ibn Haytham wrote only in Arabic though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Karaji [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharaf_al-D%C4%ABn_al-%E1%B9%A...

you mean Iranian right? "Persian" is a colonial term

While you are correct in that it is an exonym, it's not exactly what I, and I assume many others today, would think of when you say "colonial." The origin of the word dates back to thousands of years ago when no present government or society existed.

For those who would like to read a little more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Iran

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