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Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Most of it was based on translated works from Indian, Europeans conveniently (or out of ignorance) forget that.

I've heard of this before.

Could you elaborate on those translated works? Perhaps cite some works that were of well known Indian origin?

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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The word Algorithm comes from a mathematician named al-Khwarizmi. Many words that begin with Al (Arabic definite article) are of Arabic origin. Alcohol is another one :)

Chemistry is derived from alchemy, which is also Arabic in origin.

Yes, Arab alchemists preceded European alchemists.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Title is slightly misleading! Most of them are Islamic but not Arabic. Khawrazmi [1], Karaji [2], Khayyam [3], and Tusi [4] were all Persian. Ibn Haytham wrote only in Arabic though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Karaji [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharaf_al-D%C4%ABn_al-%E1%B9%A...

It’s a shorthand; “Arabic” or “Islamic” mathematicians were from a wide range of religions, ethnic groups, regions, etc.

It’s similar to the way we call all of the mathematicians of ~ 500 BCE – 500 CE “Greek”, even though most of the later ones were Roman citizens living in Egypt or elsewhere.

Or the way we call Mesopotamian mathematics generically “Babylonian”, even though most of it was from other cities, and some of the relevant developments lumped in are from before Babylon per se existed, done by people of a different ethnic group who spoke a different language.

Or the way Soviet scientists are often called “Russian”.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Title is slightly misleading! Most of them are Islamic but not Arabic. Khawrazmi [1], Karaji [2], Khayyam [3], and Tusi [4] were all Persian. Ibn Haytham wrote only in Arabic though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Karaji [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharaf_al-D%C4%ABn_al-%E1%B9%A...

arab is not used as an ethnicity but refers to someone who speaks arabic as a mother tongue. In the same way, that North africans refer to themselves as Arabs although genetically they are less than 50% Arab.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Title is slightly misleading! Most of them are Islamic but not Arabic. Khawrazmi [1], Karaji [2], Khayyam [3], and Tusi [4] were all Persian. Ibn Haytham wrote only in Arabic though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Karaji [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharaf_al-D%C4%ABn_al-%E1%B9%A...

It’s a shorthand; “Arabic” or “Islamic” mathematicians were from a wide range of religions, ethnic groups, regions, etc. It’s similar to the way we call all of the mathematicians of ~ 500 BCE – 500 CE “Greek”, even though most of the later ones were Roman citizens living in Egypt or elsewhere. Or the way we call Mesopotamian mathematics generically “Babylonian”, even though most of it was from other cities, and some…

The Greeks living in Egypt were actually Greeks, even during the existence of the Roman Empire.

The Persian mathematicians living in Persia in the times after the Islamic conquest simply weren't Arabs, exactly like the Greeks weren't Romans after the Roman conquest.

One doesn't get the new ethnicity by being occupied.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Most of it was based on translated works from Indian, Europeans conveniently (or out of ignorance) forget that.

Indeed, at this point i feel it is willful ignorance in many cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics#Vedic_perio...

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a shorthand; “Arabic” or “Islamic” mathematicians were from a wide range of religions, ethnic groups, regions, etc. It’s similar to the way we call all of the mathematicians of ~ 500 BCE – 500 CE “Greek”, even though most of the later ones were Roman citizens living in Egypt or elsewhere. Or the way we call Mesopotamian mathematics generically “Babylonian”, even though most of it was from other cities, and some…

The Greeks living in Egypt were actually Greeks, even during the existence of the Roman Empire. The Persian mathematicians living in Persia in the times after the Islamic conquest simply weren't Arabs, exactly like the Greeks weren't Romans after the Roman conquest . One doesn't get the new ethnicity by being occupied.

Some of them were ethnically Hellene. But folks of any ethnicity throughout the Roman empire (or earlier the Alexandrian empire etc.) of the time who wanted to do mathematical work would have probably traveled to Alexandria or Athens to study and would have written mathematical results in Greek, which was the language of science/mathematics/philosophy of the day.

We unfortunately don’t have too many biographical details about most of the famous “Greek” mathematicians, so it’s generally not precisely known what their background was.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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The word Algorithm comes from a mathematician named al-Khwarizmi. Many words that begin with Al (Arabic definite article) are of Arabic origin. Alcohol is another one :)

I was told of Algebra coming from Al-Jabr meaning "number games". I was surprised I didn't see this mentioned in the article, until I found the book mentioned in Al-Khwarizmi's biography [1]. The book's title is "Hisab al-jabr w'al-muqabala" but no translation is given and Google's translation "Al Jaber account and interview" is not helpful. Can anyone confirm or deny the explanation I was given? [1] http://www-histo…

The translation you're looking for is: "Calculation by Completion and Balancing"

The book's name in English is: "The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing"

So Al-jabr meaning is very close to "calculation by Completion" in that context.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Let's not forget that the Islamic world was key (though not alone) in preserving our scientific and cultural knowledge. At that time, Islamic society was quite modern and tolerant - and even often the destination for persecuted religious groups such as the Jews in Spain. It is absolutely clear that modern Islam is, in fact, much more "conservative" than it used to be in the beginning. Indeed, the very beginning of Is…

Islam is largely Arabic, but is it the case that things attributed to Arabia are mostly Islamic?

Yes... In the sense that the works discussed here were produced by scholars of Islamic fate. Check the Wikipedia links in another top comment and you'll see the time being referenced as the "Islamic Golden Age".

BUT: this is "islamic" in the sense that western science of the middle ages or Charles Darwin are "christian". These are names of cultures, not religions.

Re: Arabic Mathematics: Forgotten Brilliance? (1999)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a shorthand; “Arabic” or “Islamic” mathematicians were from a wide range of religions, ethnic groups, regions, etc. It’s similar to the way we call all of the mathematicians of ~ 500 BCE – 500 CE “Greek”, even though most of the later ones were Roman citizens living in Egypt or elsewhere. Or the way we call Mesopotamian mathematics generically “Babylonian”, even though most of it was from other cities, and some…

The Greeks living in Egypt were actually Greeks, even during the existence of the Roman Empire. The Persian mathematicians living in Persia in the times after the Islamic conquest simply weren't Arabs, exactly like the Greeks weren't Romans after the Roman conquest . One doesn't get the new ethnicity by being occupied.

This is not true. They were likely ethnically Egyptian or Phoenician or Libyan but had Hellenic names. In the same way the Iranian mathematicians in the article had Arabic names. Culture and language often cross ethnic boundaries and it's up to historians to piece it all together.
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