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China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by chillacy »

hangonhn wrote: post #104
eximius wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know anything about this, but it seems quite surprising, given China's record of 'disappearing' millions of Muslims (and other citizens) right next door to Pakistan

People from the outside has a tendency to over estimate the unity of other groups. For a long time, the first world nations thought all the Communist countries were buddies but China had border wars with both the USSR and Vietnam. In the Islamic world, Muslim nations fought each other all the time as they still do today. In the Christian realms, the Crusades started with Western Christians sacking Constantinople and…

A great essay on the topic: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin...

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by __s »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #127
tekkk wrote: post #24

Tit-for-tat. From my scarce knowledge of game-theory and world-politics it is generally accepted as the default move in these types of situations. But well, if India sees Huawei as security threat, shouldn't they have a quite good justification for blocking them? It's not that they are outright punishing Huawei for just existing, but that there is, in their opinion, a real cause for them to fear Huawei of spying thei…

Works well on games. Only problem is trade isn’t a game. Or, to put it another way, you have no idea when your opponent will stop playing this game and start playing another one.

Game theory is about decision making. If you reject game theory, you reject rational decision making being possible. Note that game theory is still useful in the context of making good decisions against irrational decision makers. Your "put another way" is merely pointing out that often in real world scenarios the game's rules are often part of the unknown information

Everything involving decisions is a game. Trade is a game

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by _ptgt »

Sag0Sag0 wrote: post #98
_ptgt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? What retaliatory action did the US take on behalf of its tech companies following their blocking in China?

The US has started wars to protect foreign investment. The history of Latin America comes to mind. Some examples would be Allende, the bay of pigs invasion and Nicaraguan Contras. The fact that the US hasn't retaliated much in the tech industry probably just demonstrates that the industry wasn't firmly enough in bed with the government when China began blocking access to google and facebook.

Referencing three American incidents from decades ago (which, although I consider Chile and Nicaragua to be among America's darkest FP moments, were all officially -- and mostly corroborated by the historical record -- undertook in the name of national security rather than commercial interests) hardly indicates this sort of tit-for-tat commercial relations between nations is the global norm.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by naruvimama »

As an Indian I personally root for Huawei. If not for any other reason that Ericsson (70% just a decade ago) and co have had a monopoly for far too long.

The only jobs that Ericsson brings to India are low end back office jobs and at the most billing software. Even though it could have been one of their largest growth markets.

This could be a good opportunity to get them/Huawei to setup more cutting edge R&D (especially PHY layer), co-development and manufacturing. India should hand out some Chinese medicine to the Chinese.

High tech is a chicken and egg problem, India has all the ingredients, but apparently free market doesn't work when monopolies are involved.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by rhegart »

dzonga wrote: post #54

on a serious note. what are the chances of this whole debacle thing causing a full scale warfare ? given the animosity between the 2 neighboring countries India and China. then you factor in US backing India. Then add Russia + china in the mix. This whole sanction and tariff thing can't continue without one side completely asserting dominance over the other. & US will not leave it's position willingly.

Russia and India are each other’s closest allies.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by iKevinShah »

kool_kid1 wrote: post #5

If the technology is great, every country will use it without questioning its source, but Chinese tech has never been so innovative, always copying and pasting with a bit of modifications. If you are forcing a country to use your technology, then there's something wrong.

I understand where you are coming from ( the always copying and pasting bit) but Huawei leads the 5G patents by a decent margin [1] , Complete article [2]

1: https://files.lbr.cloud/254270/conversions/figure_4_4-full.j...

2: https://www.iam-media.com/who-leading-5g-patent-race

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by iKevinShah »

espeed wrote: post #28

China has a history of pegging its currency to the US dollar. Is there precedent for pegging tariffs to the yuan?

Well the US government labelled China a "Currency Manipulator" a couple of days back. Doesnt mean much, but it will add to the trade war between the two

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by luckylion »

sempron64 wrote: post #23
cdmckay wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which companies were blocked by China from operating?

Google, Facebook, Twitter jump out as examples. These are completely banned from operating due to censorship. Baidu, WeChat, and Weibo are the domestic equivalents, arguably dominant only because of this protectionism. WeChat has outgrown facebook though I think and FB could not win in China now. Corps which sell products in China (as opposed to those who buy manufactured goods that are exported from China) operate o…

That's not really correct, is it? Google decided not to comply with censorship laws (which I think is a good call), they weren't outright banned. There's a difference between "you must not operate in our country" and "you must not operate in our country without adhering to local laws".

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Post by luckylion »

_ptgt wrote: post #11
luckylion wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much the policy for any country in the world that sees a domestic company being -in their view- unfairly blocked from doing business in another country. They tell them "if you discriminate against us, we will do the same to you".

Really? What retaliatory action did the US take on behalf of its tech companies following their blocking in China?

They haven't been blocked in China, they don't operate in China because they don't want to support China's censorship and authoritarian population control.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by _ptgt »

luckylion wrote: post #139
_ptgt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? What retaliatory action did the US take on behalf of its tech companies following their blocking in China?

They haven't been blocked in China, they don't operate in China because they don't want to support China's censorship and authoritarian population control.

This is just false. Both Google and Facebook have been reported as seeking Chinese government authority to get re-enter the Chinese market this year, and neither Facebook, Google, or a large chunk of the rest of the Western internet is accessible in the mainland due to the Great Firewall.
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