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New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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TLS is layer 7, so any network will support it.

I wasn't making the assumption that their mesh was based on TCP. I should really just read the article and linked materials, but I am trying to ingore that temptation since I am supposed to be working :-P

I mean, it is being used to access the internet......

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

#162

What if every household enabled an open "guest" SSID on their Wifi router? Wouldn't it have a huge positive impact of giving access to people who can't afford mobile data or home internet?

You'd lose bandwidth and gain liability. Not a winning proposition.

Sure, there is absolutely no upside for me personally to do this.

There are only downsides for me, but I think they are limited: - My router lets me set the bandwidth limits for the guest network. I set it to 10Mbps down/1Mbps up which is unnoticeable. - My ISP has no data caps. - The laws here are not draconian

It looks like this concept is super old: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wirel...

If you were a crook, would you use a random open wifi for your illegal stuff? Wouldn't you use Tor or some proxy on top of that?

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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Wow! Is $66 really considered cheap internet these days?

I pay around $14 monthly for 100 Mbps connection from a corporate internet provider (which typically gives me around 20 Mbps download and upload when I test). No installation fee and free equipment. Same internet, but from a different country. Is the internet connection in the NYC Mesh really that much faster?

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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Doesn't NYC have a Times Warner monopoly for internet? If so, that's why.

Doesn't appear so. Haven't you seen this cool, allegedly-correct FCC tool: https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/#/location-summary?version=dec2...

Not correct for my home address.

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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post #154

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I thought mesh networks were peer-to-peer? If people's connections to the internet are single pre-determined nodes, isn't that more like mini ISPs?

In any given mesh of peers, or for example the NYC mesh, suppose I am a mesh client with no ISP. How do I get internet without using another mesh client's ISP connection? Edit: can't reply because rate limited or something. My point is that relying on good will doesn't scale.

There's payment (out and also in), so it doesn't rely (entirely) on good will - running a connectivity-important node can even net you payments!

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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post #69

A month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20320212 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17861748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16978544 2015: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10052261

I applaud Brian Hall's dedication to NYC Mesh.

Thanks!

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In any given mesh of peers, or for example the NYC mesh, suppose I am a mesh client with no ISP. How do I get internet without using another mesh client's ISP connection? Edit: can't reply because rate limited or something. My point is that relying on good will doesn't scale.

I thought mesh is supposed to involve hopping from neighbor to neighbor - not everyone directly connected to an ISP. What is the difference then besides that it is volunteer-run with donated bandwidth?

While many neighbors could be connected directly to a traditional ISP, in a hilly/mountainous area, only a few nodes may be able to connect directly to an ISP, and this will connect indirectly accessible nodes to the Internet via only intermediary nodes. This is not theoretical - the test network in Oregon does this.

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

#168

Who does the backhaul for these networks? If it's regular ISPs, aren't all of the participants just violating their ISP terms and conditions?

DE-CIX is our donated IXP connection. We connect via peering and transit at an internet exchange point (IXP). We don't pay for an ISP connection.

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

#170

This is interesting - it says that they are connected to an internet exchange point (IXP), which means presumably they are their own AS and don't pay for peering. It makes them basically a peer of Verizon, etc.. It's a bit of a reminder of what the internet actually is - a bunch of networks connected together. If you make your own network, negotiate or purchase a piece of the IPv6 address space, and convince someone…

Our IXP connection to DE-CIX is donated. Our transit is also donated from Packet.net, Webair and Pilot. Yes we have our own ASN.
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