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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by Hasknewbie »

adventured wrote: post #82
Guthur wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd need to have been living on a different planet to think that the US is benign. Relatively benign to their own citizens but far and away the most globally antagonistic country over the last 50 years. The list of wars and interventions, arms dealing, extradition etc would be far beyond anything China has done. No government is beyond over stepping it's boundaries but unfortunately non US citizens do not have a co…

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>> The good the US has done is also radically beyond any good that China has done.

"Dear members of the jury, I know what you are thinking: well it looks like this guy did napalm little children in Vietnam, and did sell weapon to terrorists, and did support violent dictators. But I urge you to take a second look at my client; consider all the occasions where he DIDN'T murder women and children, that ought to count for something! And there are also instances where he DIDN'T support some dictators and terrorists. Also he gives to charity. I rest my case."

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#102

Post by NeedMoreTea »

kenned3 wrote: post #96
adventured wrote: post #82

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I highly suggest you read about Hong Kong.. clearly you have little understanding of the history behind it. here's a quick primer for you. The English were running a huge trade imbalance against china (Tea for payment). The chinese did not purchase much from the english. The English created the "East India Company" to import opium to china (yes, that opium). The chinese did not want this, so the british went to war a…

The East India Company was formed in 1600. The tea and opium trades were company choices, not British government. It was the company that created the opium monopoly, the first opium war being nearly 50 years later. It was around the time of the second opium war, and the Indian rebellion, that the company was judged so out of control it was disestablished and all company assets to the state. Which led to the Indian Raj.

Which is not to excuse any of this, but please get the timeline right. :)

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#103

Post by monocasa »

FourScore wrote: post #89
whatshisface wrote: post #79

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> The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace Those two statements directly conflict: Saddam kept things under control a lot better than the violent mess that exists in Iraq now.

Tell that to the Kurds and other persecuted minorities who were tortured and killed en masse by Saddam.

Were more Kurds killed and tortured annually under Saddam, or after the US occupation?

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#104

Post by hangonhn »

eximius wrote: post #70
rdtsc wrote: post #48

China has a good relationship with Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_relatio... I wonder how that plays into it, given the recent events in Kashimir: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/india-revokes-kashmir... If I had to guess these sanctions and warnings are never purely technological and are mostly political.

I don't know anything about this, but it seems quite surprising, given China's record of 'disappearing' millions of Muslims (and other citizens) right next door to Pakistan

People from the outside has a tendency to over estimate the unity of other groups. For a long time, the first world nations thought all the Communist countries were buddies but China had border wars with both the USSR and Vietnam. In the Islamic world, Muslim nations fought each other all the time as they still do today. In the Christian realms, the Crusades started with Western Christians sacking Constantinople and the wars of religion between the Catholics and Protestants were pretty brutal. France was at one point allied with the Turks during the period of the "Italian Wars".

It tends to be that people think first of their own welfare and then maybe of their allegiance to the groups they belong to.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#105

Post by FourScore »

FourScore wrote: post #89
whatshisface wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace Those two statements directly conflict: Saddam kept things under control a lot better than the violent mess that exists in Iraq now.

Tell that to the Kurds and other persecuted minorities who were tortured and killed en masse by Saddam.

It was not the US that perpetrated the violence after it toppled Saddam. It was the radical elements within Iraq. They're the ones that bear responsibility.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by hangonhn »

yumraj wrote: post #85
eximius wrote: post #70

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I don't know anything about this, but it seems quite surprising, given China's record of 'disappearing' millions of Muslims (and other citizens) right next door to Pakistan

China-Pak friendship is driven simply by their mutual enmity of India. Basically, enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Pakistan provides a very strategic route to the Persian Gulf for the Chinese. Even without the India-China rivalry (I hate using this term though because the relationship is quite a bit more complex than a simple rivalry), I think Pakistan would still be a valuable ally to the Chinese. During China's period of isolation, Pakistan also served as a diplomatic corridor to the other countries. Prior to the Nixon visit, China and the US met via Pakistan.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#108

Post by monocasa »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #102
kenned3 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly suggest you read about Hong Kong.. clearly you have little understanding of the history behind it. here's a quick primer for you. The English were running a huge trade imbalance against china (Tea for payment). The chinese did not purchase much from the english. The English created the "East India Company" to import opium to china (yes, that opium). The chinese did not want this, so the british went to war a…

The East India Company was formed in 1600. The tea and opium trades were company choices, not British government. It was the company that created the opium monopoly, the first opium war being nearly 50 years later. It was around the time of the second opium war, and the Indian rebellion, that the company was judged so out of control it was disestablished and all company assets to the state. Which led to the Indian Ra…

Seperating the East India company from the British government seems specious at best. The company was responsible for more GDP than the actual island of Britain, and was given explicit military support in their actions.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#109

Post by NeedMoreTea »

monocasa wrote: post #108
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The East India Company was formed in 1600. The tea and opium trades were company choices, not British government. It was the company that created the opium monopoly, the first opium war being nearly 50 years later. It was around the time of the second opium war, and the Indian rebellion, that the company was judged so out of control it was disestablished and all company assets to the state. Which led to the Indian Ra…

Seperating the East India company from the British government seems specious at best. The company was responsible for more GDP than the actual island of Britain, and was given explicit military support in their actions.

They had an ridiculous degree of autonomy for much of their existence, their own large armies and their fleet included warships. At one point loaning a huge sum of money to the state in exchange for even more autonomy.

It was only going into the 19th century that anything resembling control or oversight started to come into being. Which in no small part led to their disestablishment.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

#110

Post by thooranpoyi »

FourScore wrote: post #77
rat9988 wrote: post #67

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I'm not sure that the idea that the US is more benign than china is shared outside the US or the occidental world.

The US gives more aid around the world than any other country on Earth. The US has been an advocate and global protector of human rights and civil freedoms around the world for over half a century. The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace. The US has given more to the world through its scientific and industrial innovation in the last 50 years than any other nation over the sam…

So much solipsism here.
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