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8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by mkl »

belltaco wrote: post #118
darawk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as h…

I don't think the Christchurch shooter was an incel, apparently he had pictures on social media partying with women. And he killed 50.

51 :-(

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Post by fuddcoinn »

euroPoor wrote: post #144
fuddcoinn wrote: post #142

To anyone who made it this far, to my comment, i implore you to fufill this obligation - the obligation to address the Judeah Question. It is your obligation to momentarily take it seriously that J3ws, who openly control media, finance, Hollywood, and plenty else and aim to fufill their own self admitted, religious prophecy of ownership of the entire world and all people as slaves. their finance system is in the endg…

@mods please delete edit: see my other comment with the sartre quote edit2: actually you may leave this comment up as an example of how antisemites sound like online - it shows exactly the behaviour described in the quote

i just read all your other comments. there is no substance to it other than claiming the Jews must be true in their response and words and the antisemite is playing and insensire, nothing more.

to the contrary, like Islam, the Tal Mud gives all Jews the requirement to lie to Goy and Gentiles to hide their intentions.

what's your response to that?

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by irvwash »

wyldfire wrote: post #13

I think that technology has brought us some truly marvelous things. But they also enable us to avoid casual social contact while enabling us to withdraw from meaningful social contact. Online anonymity permits endless Sybil attacks -- helping turn communities' frustration from anger and rage into violence. I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe i…

> I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals but instead refuses to condemn any ideologies or discussion

More or less. More so than 4chan.

8chan is like Reddit (and unlike 4chan) in that it allows anyone to set up a subcommunity that they can moderate however they like. Only illegal content (and nude/sexual images of children, and certain spam) isn't allowed at all. Individual boards may be moderated very tightly.

There are all kinds of boards there, even for communists, and for Muslims. They're scrupulous about allowing even things they don't like.

/pol/ is the board where these manifestos keep getting posted. The shootings generally get celebrated there. It's actively moderated, as visible in the moderation log: https://8ch.net/log.php?board=pol

But /pol/ is not just any board. I stopped paying attention after the Christchurch shooting, but at that time, it was the only large global board, a board owned by the administration. Global site volunteers, who are normally only authorized to handle illegal content (aside from roles they have on other boards) were allowed to moderate /pol/. The site owners set the rules and policies for the board and appointed its ordinary (non-global) moderators.

/pol/ became a global board after its previous owner mismanaged it and the administration seized it. The community was already like that, and if the administration tried to change things locally people would just flock to a different more permissive board. But I think 8chan is a little more than just a platform in this case.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by KONAir »

csydas wrote: post #105
codingslave wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never justified mass shootings or said it wasn't their fault. I was just stating that things are objectively bad for young men in America. Any kind of therapy or "support", proper raising, etc isnt addressing the issue. Have some introspection and look at your response, you attacked me right off the bat. What was so repulsive in my post? Are these men not allowed to recognize that their life sucks and its societies…

Well, since I still go to a lot of secret-handshake-style message boards that get a lot of crossposting from the *chan boards and have such guys, my perspective is a bit different. I will not claim you don't and are wrong, but here's my perspective from what I see daily, both personally and professionally (as I offer as much advice as I can to help these guys get out of the spiral they're in) >...And its societies fa…

Last two paragraphs might as well be definition of internets-religion.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by mkl »

wyldfire wrote: post #18
puranjay wrote: post #6

What's even stranger to me is how "normal" mass shootings have become

Apparently this marks US Mass shooting #250 for 2019 (this was the 215th day of the year). [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/03/el-pas...

From the numbers in the article, that sounds like a stretch. Either "mass" means just two or more dead, or they're counting injuries.

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Post by fit2rule »

roenxi wrote: post #56
kartan wrote: post #8

There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens. Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists wer…

> the last time that xenophobia was not stoped it cost over 80 million lives I assume you are referring to WWII - it is a strong assertion to claim that was a xenophobic war. The Nazis were xenophobic, but one suspects their driving motivations for actually doing something about it were economic. They were expanding because they famously thought they needed more space and resources, and the German economy prior to th…

What the 5-eyes nations are doing in the Middle East and parts of Asia is clearly based on xenophobia. The West are terrified that places like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen .. Afghanistan .. Palestine .. will unite and create a dominant union in the region which shuts out Western influence entirely.

And, indeed, these nations who might formerly have had a chance to create such a union, have xenophobic reasoning to do so.

Its a lot more prevalent than we're willing to admit.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by faissaloo »

username3 wrote: post #2

They should monitor 8chan for manifestos and get alerts for PDF attachments. > It was originally posted on 4chan, later to 8chan. > In each instance, community members denounced the man’s intentions and informed LEO.

Fyi this is wrong, it was initially posted to 8chan. Idk where they got the idea it was originally posted to 4chan.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by euroPoor »

adrusi wrote: post #140
chvid wrote: post #15

Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…

I think you've stumbled upon one of the most important and difficult cultural questions of our generation. I don't claim to have a robust theory, but I'll throw out an idea: 4chan becomes a place to say edgy racist things in order to get a rise out of people because it's amusing. Most people don't actually believe the racist things they say, but now saying racist things is normalized on the site, and it becomes more…

Here's a tentative paper regarding your point

https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/10108/...

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Post by fuddcoinn »

chvid wrote: post #15

Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…

nearly all the comments below are feel good fluffery with no actual historical facts or evidence that is widely agreed upon.

however a good place of truth and reason to start at is to read about the history of the expulsion of Jews from the dozens and dozens of countries that had kicked them out - rightly or wrongly.

both sides agree it happened and have their own accounts of it.

we all have our problems and the Jews and those they interacted with would obviously not be exempt from that.

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