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Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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A clear indicator that Apple is focusing on markets other than the US. 5g is deploying in China and India and soon in a lot of countries in SE Asia. The consumption of mobile bandwidth is literally through the roof. Netflix having a 2.5$ monthly mobile-only plan in India is a clear signalling of that.

5G is deployed in a lot of cities already, and nearly every android manufacturer has at least one 5g model.

Being 18 months late to the party will really hurt Apple.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Can rural iPhone users manually disable mmWave radios on their local devices, since there will be no use for the beamforming receiver outside of urban areas? On a related topic, 6Ghz WiFi (unlicensed and unmetered) is needed for AR glasses which won't have the battery power for cellular service, https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/23/20707456/6... > Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, HP, Qualcomm, Intel,…

iPhones can limit between 4G, 3G, 2G for quite a while now, I'd assume this option would continue on.

60 GHz (802.11ad/802.11ay) is better suites for AR/VR, is already out, and doesn't have interference issues due to physics.

6 GHz should be focusing on devices that need to work at range not ones that can already be served via in-room frequencies.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

While it hasn’t reached its promised speeds, I wouldn’t at all call it only slightly faster. https://www.tomsguide.com/features/5g-vs-4g

> Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

> AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon’s networks, which rely on high-band millimeter-wave spectrum.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Meritless aesthetic concerns and fake health concerns are in the same bucket. It's just ways to hold up progress. (And in this case, NIMBYs are seizing on fake health concerns to reinforce their case against deployment because they think the base stations are ugly.)

>fake health concerns Can you explain why it is fake? Non-ionizing radiation does have an effect on us. Just because it isn't melting our organs doesn't mean that we aren't effected negatively by it. The independent research shows this, doesn't it?

These 'concerns' have been around as long as cell phone service has existed for every single frequency and power level. I remember my mom worrying about it back when stuff was at 1G & 2G levels.

You have to realize that "high" power radio & other artificial EM transmissions have been going on ever since you were born pretty much everywhere. AM Radio, FM Radio, "wireless" TV, and todays cellphones and wifi base stations. Not to mention all the other radio traffic that is more specialized, like airplanes, HAM radio, police & emergency services, the military, the light you see from your lightbulbs, the EM radiation that emits from your electric wires running through your house, street or nearby electric transformer stations on and on.

None of it has resulted in secret harm and 5G will be no different. The stuff that is harmful will have a lot of warnings around it and won't be secret. Such as UV exposure from the sun.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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With flagship phone sales plummeting, the industry hopes 5g will save them. I really don’t know anyone that has told me they want or need 5g. With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer?

> With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer? I have no idea where this argument comes from. Was 4G useless because carriers stuck with the same data caps we had from the 3G era? Today, the average U.S. smartphone subscriber uses 6GB/month of cellular data, well below the 20GB+ soft-cap of every provider's unlimited plan: https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/10/28/h…

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Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Lawyers strive to become as good as possible at aggressively defending the objectively wrong opinion. He's either doing this as some sort of devil's advocate exercise or he's actually getting ready to defend 5G technology in court.

The question is "who stands to gain"? I can't see 5G benefiting consumers at all. If you're on a 4G network, you already see no issues with streaming video. Who is 5G even for? It's a solution seeking a problem.

It's a weapon disguised as communications tech to keep the sheep calm while it's deployed. They want to be able to easily target any coordinates in 3D space from multiple towers at once with lethal microwave beams to boil the organs of any troublemakers who speak out against the chosen ones. Just don't make any more problematic posts and you'll be fine.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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With flagship phone sales plummeting, the industry hopes 5g will save them. I really don’t know anyone that has told me they want or need 5g. With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer?

> With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer? I have no idea where this argument comes from. Was 4G useless because carriers stuck with the same data caps we had from the 3G era? Today, the average U.S. smartphone subscriber uses 6GB/month of cellular data, well below the 20GB+ soft-cap of every provider's unlimited plan: https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/10/28/h…

No, you are totally misrepresenting the link you posted. Only those who have paid for an unlimited plan hit 6GB. The average person has no need for this sort of service. It’s a way to wring more money out of cellphone users, already an area long overdue for better consumer protection. Companies want 5g, consumers do not.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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>fake health concerns Can you explain why it is fake? Non-ionizing radiation does have an effect on us. Just because it isn't melting our organs doesn't mean that we aren't effected negatively by it. The independent research shows this, doesn't it?

These 'concerns' have been around as long as cell phone service has existed for every single frequency and power level. I remember my mom worrying about it back when stuff was at 1G & 2G levels. You have to realize that "high" power radio & other artificial EM transmissions have been going on ever since you were born pretty much everywhere. AM Radio, FM Radio, "wireless" TV, and todays cellphones and wifi base statio…

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Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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A clear indicator that Apple is focusing on markets other than the US. 5g is deploying in China and India and soon in a lot of countries in SE Asia. The consumption of mobile bandwidth is literally through the roof. Netflix having a 2.5$ monthly mobile-only plan in India is a clear signalling of that.

5G is deployed in a lot of cities already, and nearly every android manufacturer has at least one 5g model. Being 18 months late to the party will really hurt Apple.

18 months is less than 1 refresh cycle. How is the average Apple user missing out by not having 5G now?

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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For one thing, 5G is going to be necessary to fully realize things like augmented reality, self-driving cars, and other industries that will make significant economic contributions. Getting started earlier on those is better. For the other--it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed that Copenhagen is building a massive new subway system extension for the same money it's costing my state (Maryland) to build a single suburban…

> For one thing, 5G is going to be necessary to fully realize things like augmented reality, self-driving cars, and other industries that will make significant economic contributions. How, precisely? 5G won't be anywhere near low-latency enough to actually offload processing for these types of devices. (Not to mention, I'd really worry about what happens when a car loses connection.) > For the other--it's embarrassin…

A lot of the 5g connection to drones, self-driving and artificial intelligence is bullshit. But there is some connection in the sense that they are sort of both unknown. In theory if you had some sort of early self-driving personal rapid transit system, or some freight variety, it would make things easier if you knew you had enough bandwidth and low latency to effectively remote control them.
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