Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

Post by rayiner » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 1:40 PM UTC

olah_1 wrote: post #7

rayiner wrote: post #6

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If you want to know why America has such shitty infrastructure (especially cities like San Francisco where the density should warrant it), here is Exhibit A. Environmental studies, aesthetic objections,[1] fake health concerns, etc. In the 4.6 years Americans spend to prepare the average Environmental Impact Statement for an infrastructure project, Europeans can build city-wide subway systems or tunnel through mounta…

The radiation and cancer concern is categorically different than "not in my backyard". If you can't see that these are totally unrelated, then I don't know what to say. Fiber lines are completely different than "hey these rats that are constantly exposed to 5G radiation that's 20 yards away are acting all messed up".

Post by olah_1 » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 1:50 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #11

olah_1 wrote: post #7

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The radiation and cancer concern is categorically different than "not in my backyard". If you can't see that these are totally unrelated, then I don't know what to say. Fiber lines are completely different than "hey these rats that are constantly exposed to 5G radiation that's 20 yards away are acting all messed up".

Meritless aesthetic concerns and fake health concerns are in the same bucket. It's just ways to hold up progress. (And in this case, NIMBYs are seizing on fake health concerns to reinforce their case against deployment because they think the base stations are ugly.)

Post by olah_1 » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 1:51 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #12

rayiner wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to know why America has such shitty infrastructure (especially cities like San Francisco where the density should warrant it), here is Exhibit A. Environmental studies, aesthetic objections,[1] fake health concerns, etc. In the 4.6 years Americans spend to prepare the average Environmental Impact Statement for an infrastructure project, Europeans can build city-wide subway systems or tunnel through mounta…

> If we don't want 5G to be yet another area, like transit and roads, where the US lags woefully behind Europe and Japan I don’t necessarily disagree with the crux of your point about infrastructure. However, in the case of 5G, why do we need to “beat” other countries? What’s the rush? Great article from The Verge titled “Wait, why the hell is the ‘race to 5G even a race?” https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/…

Post by rayiner » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

olah_1 wrote: post #13

rayiner wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meritless aesthetic concerns and fake health concerns are in the same bucket. It's just ways to hold up progress. (And in this case, NIMBYs are seizing on fake health concerns to reinforce their case against deployment because they think the base stations are ugly.)

>fake health concerns Can you explain why it is fake? Non-ionizing radiation does have an effect on us. Just because it isn't melting our organs doesn't mean that we aren't effected negatively by it. The independent research shows this, doesn't it?

Post by SigmundA » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

valine wrote: post #3

I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.