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Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

The most important thing one can do is write, AND call, their legislature. Don't ever shut up about it. Does it stand a chance against corporate lobbyists? Probably not, but it leaves one with a clear conscience.

Or your city council. I got a personal reply from one of my council members this morning in response to an email I sent based on this: https://www.seattleindivisible.com/daily-actions/2019/8/1/no...

She promised to investigate and follow up on a policy front. Good use of two minutes of my time.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

Alright then. What do you recommend we do about it?

Honestly. You've got the top comment on a top-10 topic. The floor is yours. What do you want to say?

This is why I hate the Occupy movement - congrats, you've raised awareness. Now what?

Remember - we've already got https://concentrationcamps.us - and the same agency has enough fentanyl stockpiled (admittedly, it is hard to break down) to execute each person in the US 2.5x over.

This is looking less and less like coincidence that Donny Drumpf had "Mein Kampf" by his bedside.

Come on comrade. Where do we meet to discuss it privately? Is there more to be done than "call your senator" or such? Keep tabs with RTL-SDRs? Launch improvised drones with hand-to-hand combat tech and solar panels?

Or shall we don the tinfoil hats of our forefathers, adorn them with IR-LEDs, and watch the world end in an every-hacker-for-theirself cluserfuck?

I'd really rather this world and humanity go on, rather than make our climate, our country, our freedom untenable. But its not up to just me. It takes a team to do much of anything worth doing - and our culture isolates us rather neatly.

So what'll it be comrade? If you wanna "meet for discussion" on some no-logging, private means of discussion, I'm in. Make sure to use a semi-private mid-layer meetpoint to gather, and point the team to somewhere even more private. If there's any dox involved in signing up for any of it, you're doing it wrong.

So, where's the first meet? And the vetting?

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

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There's a bit of scaremongering in the headline; these are being tested domestically by the DOD use outside of the US. The DOD isn't allowed to conduct domestic surveillance.

I can't fathom this level of good will afforded to the DOD, the history of the US govt's intelligence services _must_ earn them zero presumption of innocence by now right?

I bet there is a direct correlation between how much good will someone extends DOD and how much they believe their history books.

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At what point do we just start a non violent movement of taping over cameras wherever we see them?

It's hacker news. How about hacking them?

We could have a discussion about the definition of the word Hacker vs Cracker - but people have been arguing about that since the 90s.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that people haven't commented "this is bad" doesn't mean lots of people don't think it's bad. But such comments don't change anything, and the site guidelines specifically discourage them because they just add noise. Insulting people, however, tends to derail any useful discussion.

I've said the obvious before, but technology is going to make mass surveillance relatively easy. Natural protections are no more. We have to reaffirm our liberties and not tolerate unreasonable search. Also, let's cut out the criminality when it comes to drugs. The rationality this rests on can be chopped out from under it if we just regulate the drug industry better. Give drug users the drugs with limitations, which…

The only way to do what you suggest is...you know. That's the only thing that will roll it back even a little. I'm available whenever, but I have no misconceptions about how brutal it will be.

Just locally where I live I've watched the total state moving forward. Police are moving in unmarked/low marked vehicles a la Gestapo, intersections all suddenly have cameras, I've read articles about how LE have tracked people via their cell phones--there is a "digital fence" that the police automatically get notified if someone prohibited enters with their phone. Is that not total surveillance state? When you can't even move around without someone tracking you? Granted, they can turn off the phone or put it in a Faraday bag, but the point is, we should not have to!

Slippery slope may be a fallacy, but damn, it sure doesn't seem like it when all the dots start getting connected.

I'm not on board with any of it. I am not some kind of serf, peon, or resource to be exploited. If some shit has to burn down to make that point, well, that's what will have to happen.

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> The new balloons promise a cheap surveillance platform that could follow multiple cars and boats for extended periods. And because winds often travel in different directions at different altitudes, the balloons can usually hover over a given area simply by ascending or descending. Stepping back from the details of this story reveals a striking pattern that most public discussions on mass surveillance miss entirely.…

> government, law enforcement

The thing is when it gets cheap enough, other players start enter the game too. Companies. Criminal gangs. Or even private individuals.

A situation of "if surveillance is outlawed, only outlaws will have surveillance" should be taken into account.

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I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

Dayton OH tried this crap with Persistent Surveillance Systems equipment that's basically a time machine: a high altitude camera that photographs the whole city and lets you follow a vehicle forward or backward in time, inferring meeting places, routes, etc. The outcry that arose cancelled the project. So yes, protest works! https://www.acluohio.org/archives/issue-information/warrantl... The one over Baltimore is JLE…

There’s an excellent RadioLab episode about Persistent Surveillance. The anti-crime powers it brings to a city are compelling, only overshadowed by the powers for abuse.

Worth a listen IMHO: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/eye-sky

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I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

> I can't believe how stupid the "Hacker" "News" community is--commenting on things that don't matter, then shutting up for matters of grave importance.

Topics like mass surveillance are considered by HN moderators to be "political" and any commentary about them is considered the equivalent of graffiti that defaces the site for everyone else.

As hackers we have a social responsibility to participate in important political issues that we have insight about.

People's political beliefs are typically quite different when the issue is something they actually know about. Most HN content is technology focused and so there is (in my opinion) a desirable kind of political discussion that is backed up by experience and knowledge.

Surely one of the mods will chime in that my comment is a flame, which is their special word for comments that discuss content they wish to censor. My comments are always polite and respectful, so obviously the issue is content and not tone.

> ... this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio.

HN is becoming the sort of benign, bland environment the mods want it to be.

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