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Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that people haven't commented "this is bad" doesn't mean lots of people don't think it's bad. But such comments don't change anything, and the site guidelines specifically discourage them because they just add noise. Insulting people, however, tends to derail any useful discussion.

I've said the obvious before, but technology is going to make mass surveillance relatively easy. Natural protections are no more. We have to reaffirm our liberties and not tolerate unreasonable search. Also, let's cut out the criminality when it comes to drugs. The rationality this rests on can be chopped out from under it if we just regulate the drug industry better. Give drug users the drugs with limitations, which…

Seriously. The constitution must stay general. We can’t let them narrow down our rights.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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post #5

I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

You only complain when you notice something? Satilite with cameras has been around forever

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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post #10
post #5

I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

> There is no way to opt-out of this. I can't believe how stupid the "Hacker" "News" community is--commenting on things that don't matter, then shutting up for matters of grave importance. There are a lot of people here who take these concerns extremely seriously, and are working to fix things. But they may not post much about it on Hacker news, because not every site needs to be political, even if it's far, far more…

Surveillance isn't a political issue, or maybe rather, like drinking water standards, it need or should not be a toxic political issue.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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post #5

I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

>testing

It's been tested, look up gorgon stare.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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post #32

Are things flying at that altitude required to have a ADS-B transponder or something like that to prevent collisions with other aircraft? I wonder if you could track the balloons tracking you.

Yes. Google Loon balloons do show up on FlightRadar24, and if you’re close enough you can detect them with a $8 RTS-SDR.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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post #5

I don't comment much, but I feel compelled to mention how this currently has a 36:1 vote-to-comment ratio. The kinds of thing the US military is testing on their own people is horrific, and it's our duty as American citizens to oppose this kind of surveillance. I sometimes feel I'm talking to a ghost. It is truly terrifying that my fellow Americans are selling themselves out. Ring will let the government, Amazon, and…

"I don't comment much but you lot are going to hell because you don't comment"...?

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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> The new balloons promise a cheap surveillance platform that could follow multiple cars and boats for extended periods. And because winds often travel in different directions at different altitudes, the balloons can usually hover over a given area simply by ascending or descending.

Stepping back from the details of this story reveals a striking pattern that most public discussions on mass surveillance miss entirely.

Cost has protected citizens of the world's liberal democracies from sliding into totalitarianism for a long time. Now the brakes are off. Surveillance technology costs are plunging across at the board and capabilities are skyrocketing.

Regardless of size or jurisdiction, there isn't a law enforcement agency out there that doesn't want to (or actively seek to) increase its observational capability.

Tumbling prices allow these organizations to indulge these urges.

Suddenly, basic assumptions about what governments can and can't do go out the window. The equipment is bought and put into production. Better to ask forgiveness than permission and all that.

There is no limit to the appetite for greater visibility into the private lives of citizens. Today it's the war on drugs and terror. Tomorrow it's something else. The justifications change, but these are just thin veneers over the ugly truth. Every government tends toward totalitarianism unless kept in check by something pretty damn powerful.

This train has one destination, and it's not even clear if there will be any stops along the way. To understand where we're headed, try reading the Bill of Rights with the assumption that your government knows everything there is to know about you, and where those who attempt to reveal the extent of these capabilities are imprisoned or executed.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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post #37

At what point do we just start a non violent movement of taping over cameras wherever we see them?

Hong Kong has just gotten to that point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/26/technology/hong-kong-prot... https://gizmodo.com/how-hong-kong-s-protestors-are-hindering...

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