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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by Aaronstotle »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #32
psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

I can only speak for myself, my answer is no. I've read up on the numerous atrocities committed by the U.S. Government (highly recommend Wikileak Files: World according to U.S. Empire) I think citizens of every country shouldn't ignore their past, they should look directly towards it, grapple with the consequences, and critique it.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by globuous »

lxe wrote: post #47
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> punish them according to the law It’s lawful and valid to revoke visas of those convicted of violent crimes. Assaulting protesters is a violent crime. Nobody reasonable is advocating for deporting all Chinese students. Just those who assault protesters.

Well, if an internet commenter says so, I guess we can skip the whole due process thing.

Come on, you guys are talking about the same thing. Parent was probably (obviously?) saying that trying them will probably (or should?) result in their visa being revoked.

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Post by abugheratwork »

CapacitorSet wrote: post #41
ekc wrote: post #3

> Ms Fan and Ms Leung say such harassment has also continued off campus. They have found pictures of themselves being shared on Chinese social media sites next to threatening messages. Ms Fan said one comment warned she would "face consequences". If anyone's there, or knows someone who's there who happens to be protesting this, you should probably recommend they wear Winnie the Pooh merchandise, or wear t-shirts ment…

I fail to see how this would be of any help, especially the former. To me it looks like a feel-good action with virtually no political impact.

I believe the intended impact is to prevent pictures of oneself from becoming famous, by making sure that they are censored.

The censorship trick won't work globally, and won't block authorities from seeing the picture, but I think the real goal is to avoid becoming individually well known within China as a dissident.

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Post by panzagl »

lxe wrote: post #35

Is HN exactly like Boomer Facebook now? What's with this "kick them out of the country" rhetoric? If people are assaulting peaceful protesters, arrest them, charge them, try them, and punish them according to the law. It's literally right there on camera. But no, please continue inciting outrage and controversy. China bad. Hong Kong good.

When I see a response like 'kick them out of the country' I view it as emotional shorthand for 'arrest them under due process, try them with appropriate counsel provided, then deport them as proscribed by law'. One is just shorter to type. It's people letting off steam, not suggesting dismantling the judicial system.

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Post by AWildC182 »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #32
psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

It's cool, we already do.

Just because you have problems doesn't mean you can't point out that someone else does too, as long as you have acknowledged yours.

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Post by colpabar »

yeukhon wrote: post #20

“Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.” This is off-topic.

Did you flag it?

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Post by addicted »

monksy wrote: post #39
lxe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

They should be caught, tried and charged under Australian laws. Most countries have in their laws that people will be removed for the major crimes (violence etc). If you're in a country where you are not a citizen you are a guest. You wouldn't go to someone's house, create a lot of trouble, and then expect to be able to stay do you?

The guest framing applies equally to the people supporting the Hong Kong protests.

Students shouldn't behave like guests in countries which value freedom of speech. However, students who engage in violence and intimidation should certainly be removed from the University based on the rules almost every University has regarding what constitutes acceptable behavior, and in this case it seems they would also have broken laws by attacking the original protestors.

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Post by SamReidHughes »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #50
SamReidHughes wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

> Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? One, we don’t censor that information. Two, I’d expect most Americans to freely criticise those government actions, as well as the people and agencies responsible. The latter is prohibited in China.

So what? I’m talking about why anybody would expect a Chinese student to change their attitude because of 6/4.

Your response and the others here have nothing to do with that.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

socialist_coder wrote: post #58
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one reason I decided to go back to America once we had a kid. I’m not a big fan of nationalism. Unfortunately, I’m a bit worried about American schools, many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state, which was definitely not true when I was a kid. It just feels like something China would do but the USA shouldn’t.

I also live in WA state and I feel like the daily pledge of allegiance here is pretty trivial. It's just something the kids say, the school isn't building it up or making it a huge deal or forcing them to believe in it like it's the only thing that matters. Comparing this to China's brainwashing is a huge slippery slope IMO. I think in terms of US school problems, this one is pretty low on the list. I would be far mo…

My point was that I moved from China back to here to avoid stuff like that for my kid, and am disappointed that things have changed for the worse since I was a kid growing up in the same area.

It is a “small thing” of course compared to comprehensive political education, but it is a thing and signals the start of a trend that could turn out to be dangerous (doubly so in this age of Trump-style ultra nationalism).

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