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N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by driverdan »

phil248 wrote: post #65

This reminds me of when I was a little kid, maybe 2nd grade, and our class took a field trip to the police station. We all had our fingerprints taken. At the time, it just seemed like a fun activity to show us a little bit about how police work is done.

Fingerprinting kids is a regular thing in the US. I had it done when I was young, maybe 30 years ago. I believe it's used to help identify kidnapped (murdered?) children.

It was so long ago I don't know if they still do it or what's done with the fingerprints now.

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Post by SN76477 »

maximente wrote: post #7

> “We have these photos. It makes sense,” Chief Shea said in the interview. ah, yeah, outstanding argument - looking forward to seeing it applied to all other electronic data ever produced, no matter how old they are

You can but should you.

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Post by completelylegit »

MegaButts wrote: post #71
phil248 wrote: post #65

This reminds me of when I was a little kid, maybe 2nd grade, and our class took a field trip to the police station. We all had our fingerprints taken. At the time, it just seemed like a fun activity to show us a little bit about how police work is done.

Are they legally allowed to do this without the parents' permission?

Fingerprints were collected with their permission. There was a lot of stranger-danger anxiety back then.

I guess it’d be good if I had been kidnapped and they could find my fingerprints at the kidnappers house, or prove that I am “me” if I was kidnapped and escaped years later.

My parents bought it as did many others.

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Post by xvector »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #62
arrozconcosas wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which way are things trending where you are today? The cost to surveil is going down at a tremendous rate so it is just a matter of time before someone decides to pay to surveil you and then sell their insights or take advantage of them. I don't think it's possible for politicians to keep up with the rate of tech advancement. Did you ever watch a congressional hearing in the US on any technology realated subject? It'…

>Did you ever watch a congressional hearing in the US on any technology realated subject? It's a comedic bit. This comment could be straight out of 1870 when things were industrializing rapidly. We'll figure it out eventually. Hopefully without any serious oppression and/or bloodshed in the process.

As long as the geriatrics in Congress remain in Congress, no change will happen. We need new people so we can actually make progress.

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Post by craftyguy »

jammygit wrote: post #68
izzydata wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will start walking around with masks on at all times.

Canada made it illegal to take part in a public protest while concealing your face under the Harper government...

NYC is not in Canada. In the US, the 1st amendment would likely protect citizens from any such law like this.

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Post by modriano »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #60

I wonder how this affects their system. If you have 10 years of a changing facial profile on someone, is their algorithm smart enough to drop older items? Or do you, in your 20s, look like your ten year old brother?

My guess is that these facial rec systems aren't very sophisticated. I suspect that they just compare a sample image with their database of images, so as people age, they just look less like their image in the database, so the similarity scores will simply decrease as the data grows more stale.

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Post by salawat »

moate wrote: post #31
imgabe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're gay, you should know the risks about going to Saudi Arabia or any place with similar laws and avoid going there. One does not usually "end up" in a different country unless they're kidnapped and at that point the homosexuality laws are really the least of your problems.

The point is that the risks are much lower if there's not a database storing this information to be leaked in the first place. The whole "if you don't want to go to jail, don't commit crimes" line of thinking really falls apart when you realize that the legal system is well beyond the ability for a layman to navigate on a day to day basis and gets even worse when you have a perfect surveillance state capable of seein…

So much this. It can't be overstated.

When the government can trivially make the case that a citizen is a criminal just by looking deep enough in the archive it's time to start considering that maybe your government isn't protecting/serving you anymore.

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Post by Balgair »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #5

Honestly, I have no problem with a database of public images showing/tracking people's public actions. It used to be in a small town you knew who was good and bad by their actions. With the population explosion, the only way we have a practical means to return to that is with facial recognition databases.

Well, victims of domestic violence sure have a problem with it! Though the stats are a bit murky and hard to parse, up to 1 in 4 women are victims of domestic violence [0], so it's not an edge case.

[0] https://ncadv.org/statistics

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