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N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

imgabe wrote: post #37
ilikehurdles wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments change, as do treatments of different groups of people. Perhaps the government had no issue with your practicing of a particular religion or being an immigrant before some disaster, war, or nationalist wave changes things.

And anyone can come up with some contrived chain of events about how any particular technology might be misused. That's not a reason to dismiss it wholesale, otherwise we would never have any technology at all.

How is it contrived when it's happened again and again historically?

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Post by jschwartzi »

drawkbox wrote: post #21
cameronbrown wrote: post #3

I know that this might be an unpopular opinion, but if privacy really is dead, why don't we just make this data public? I know there's significant risks, but I feel like it's a better step forward than having this technology developed and deployed in secret.

We still have our thoughts, for now. We should at least know when our face is being accessed on demand and in some ai process. Same with our data. We'll get there eventually but there will be lots of issues along the way.

Dissent is useless if you can't give voice to it, and that's exactly what these systems seek to do -- make it dangerous to do anything the state doesn't want you to do. From speaking in public to peaceful protest these databases will eventually be used to identify anyone who has ever peacefully participated in a democratic society.

This was what the FBI wanted in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and now, 70 years later, they finally have it.

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Post by lm28469 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #40
lm28469 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reuse that comment when we get mandatory under skin gps tracker from birth. We could even sacrifice all our liberties and get rid of every single crimes if we went further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

There is a big difference between your skin gps tracker and facial recognition. The skin gps tracker is a new data source. Facial recognition is making better use of already existing data from mug shots and security cameras. If you are concerned about privacy, then let's regulate what data you can collect and from whom you can collect it. However, once you have the data, police should be able to use computers to bett…

Everything is new data source at some point, everyone gets outraged for a bit and then it's business as usual. There is no stopping ""progress"" and technology.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by owlninja »

lm28469 wrote: post #38
crazygringo wrote: post #25

Facial recognition helps catch criminals. Young people can be criminals too. And if the police catch them while still juvenile, they might have more of a chance to turn their life around. Young people can also go missing, and facial recognition of security cams could help find them. I honestly can't see any reason why children shouldn't be included like everyone else. It goes without saying that a conviction should n…

You can reuse that comment when we get mandatory under skin gps tracker from birth. We could even sacrifice all our liberties and get rid of every single crimes if we went further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

There was a story here locally where a young boy wandered out of his house while he was thought to be napping. The parents noticed and a search was started, but after a few hours they found him inside a neighbors car, dead from the Texas heat. A GPS tracker would have saved his life. I understand the privacy and personal liberty concerns, but I have a hard time coming to a decision on this one myself.

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Post by beecat »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #5

Honestly, I have no problem with a database of public images showing/tracking people's public actions. It used to be in a small town you knew who was good and bad by their actions. With the population explosion, the only way we have a practical means to return to that is with facial recognition databases.

... And why exactly should we return to that? How is that progress?

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Post by mlindner »

izzydata wrote: post #20
cameronbrown wrote: post #3

I know that this might be an unpopular opinion, but if privacy really is dead, why don't we just make this data public? I know there's significant risks, but I feel like it's a better step forward than having this technology developed and deployed in secret.

People will start walking around with masks on at all times.

V for Vendetta becoming real.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by mlindner »

crazygringo wrote: post #25

Facial recognition helps catch criminals. Young people can be criminals too. And if the police catch them while still juvenile, they might have more of a chance to turn their life around. Young people can also go missing, and facial recognition of security cams could help find them. I honestly can't see any reason why children shouldn't be included like everyone else. It goes without saying that a conviction should n…

You're basically stating the plot line of Minority Report. It's not a good idea.

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Post by imgabe »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #41
imgabe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And anyone can come up with some contrived chain of events about how any particular technology might be misused. That's not a reason to dismiss it wholesale, otherwise we would never have any technology at all.

How is it contrived when it's happened again and again historically?

Really? Saudi Arabia has historically, again and again, used facial recognition data collected by the NYPD to hunt down people who went to gay clubs in NYC, who for some reason spontaneously "end up" in Saudi Arabia via some unspecified process they can't control?

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Post by Cpoll »

owlninja wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reuse that comment when we get mandatory under skin gps tracker from birth. We could even sacrifice all our liberties and get rid of every single crimes if we went further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

There was a story here locally where a young boy wandered out of his house while he was thought to be napping. The parents noticed and a search was started, but after a few hours they found him inside a neighbors car, dead from the Texas heat. A GPS tracker would have saved his life. I understand the privacy and personal liberty concerns, but I have a hard time coming to a decision on this one myself.

You can find an isolated incident for anything. When you get your GPS trackers, you'll be able to tell an anecdote about a child who was hiding from a criminal, but was found by a GPS tracker.
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