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Re: There isn't really much of a tablet market

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Post by foljs » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 11:02 PM UTC

blinkingled wrote: post #58

foljs wrote: post #52

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"""Marco Arment, John Gruber and company are so obnoxiously biased against anything that is not Apple that it isn't worth clicking on any links pointing to their sites. It's deja vu all the times if you do - no one can compete with Apple, everyone other than Apple is doomed. Ad-nauseum. """ I know how you feel. And the most annoying thing is how they always come out right: first the renaissance of Apple and the Mac,…

Yep - Microsoft has closed shop, Android is not selling at all, Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share, no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad. And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too - http://mosspuppet.com/2010/12/21/clearly-adobes-in-real-trou... . I get it yes - for my non-reasoned definition of right I can be always right. Doesn't mean much though. Oh yeah and market share is no…

"""Yep - Microsoft has closed shop"""

Yes. In the portable music and mobile market it has tried to compete with Apple and closed shop many times --only in MS case it is called "canceled a project" or "closed a department".

As for the OS/API space, it has slided into irrelevance. Do you really need me to bring out the big guns and quote Paul Graham on this one?

"""Android is not selling at all"""

You seemed to have missed the "manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later", part.

"""Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share"""

You seemed to have missed the "manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later", part.

"""no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad"""

The two are not really in the same market. The Kindle is an ebook reader. The iPad is a tablet computing platform with ebook reading capability thrown in. There is a Kindle app FOR the iPad, for heaven's sake.

"""And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too"""

With regards to Flash dominance in the future of the web (the only relevant metric, i.e. pertaining to Apple, in this discussion)? You betsa.

Re: There isn't really much of a tablet market

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Post by blinkingled » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 11:38 PM UTC

foljs wrote: post #71

blinkingled wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep - Microsoft has closed shop, Android is not selling at all, Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share, no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad. And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too - http://mosspuppet.com/2010/12/21/clearly-adobes-in-real-trou... . I get it yes - for my non-reasoned definition of right I can be always right. Doesn't mean much though. Oh yeah and market share is no…

"""Yep - Microsoft has closed shop""" Yes. In the portable music and mobile market it has tried to compete with Apple and closed shop many times --only in MS case it is called "canceled a project" or "closed a department". As for the OS/API space, it has slided into irrelevance. Do you really need me to bring out the big guns and quote Paul Graham on this one? """Android is not selling at all""" You seemed to have mi…

Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread? We agree that you are convinced of everything you said and we also agree not to investigate anything objectively - we are good to get over this as long as we stick to subjective opinions ;)

Re: There isn't really much of a tablet market

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Post by foljs » Sun, Jan 02, 2011, 11:34 AM UTC

blinkingled wrote: post #72

foljs wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"""Yep - Microsoft has closed shop""" Yes. In the portable music and mobile market it has tried to compete with Apple and closed shop many times --only in MS case it is called "canceled a project" or "closed a department". As for the OS/API space, it has slided into irrelevance. Do you really need me to bring out the big guns and quote Paul Graham on this one? """Android is not selling at all""" You seemed to have mi…

Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread? We agree that you are convinced of everything you said and we also agree not to investigate anything objectively - we are good to get over this as long as we stick to subjective opinions ;)

> Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already.

No, you sure didn't.

> Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread?

It sure would. That kind of "irony" would place you firmly in the delusional group thinking there are "Apple fanboys" and that you and them are at war. You reeealllly think I think somewhat like that, huh?

> We agree that you are convinced of everything you said and we also agree not to investigate anything objectively

I never agreed to the second --but you seem hell bent on it. Notice how beside ad hominens you don't provide any arguments in this "reply"?

Re: There isn't really much of a tablet market

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Post by blinkingled » Sun, Jan 02, 2011, 6:05 PM UTC

foljs wrote: post #73

blinkingled wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread? We agree that you are convinced of everything you said and we also agree not to investigate anything objectively - we are good to get over this as long as we stick to subjective opinions ;)

> Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. No, you sure didn't. > Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread? It sure would. That kind of "irony" would place you firmly in the delusional group thinking there are "Apple fanboys" and that you and them are at war. You reeealllly think I think somewhat like that, huh? > We agree that you are convinced of everything you said…

> Notice how beside ad hominens you don't provide any arguments in this "reply"?

I provided my arguments in my original reply. You then switched to saying Gruber and Arment are always right. I then asked you the definition of right you and me can accept. You did not give one explicitly but it sounded like your definition of right was "whatever Apple does and whatever I perceive" - just like Gruber and Arment. Which to me isn't objective. So I did the next logical thing - agreed that you agree to your convictions about Apple.

It's hard to argue with people who invariably talk only positively and mostly subjectively (it just 'feels' right) about even somewhat complex subjects which require actually defining things, having a lack of bias and use of analytical skills.

For the Apple camp - the simplistic rule is "What Apple does is right - if what they do changes, so does what is right". So for example when Apple gets market share - market share is the king and when they start losing it, suddenly that is no longer worth discussing - profits are. Shifting goal posts. You don't hear the Apple fans complain about anything Apple - the ridiculous positioning of USB ports on MBP for e.g. - for a company and its fans that pride themselves with superior usability - this apparently is no problem at all. That's biased and you can't really argue with biased people other than to say - ok, to you your own.

That is not to say Apple hasn't done great things - but it is also non-sensical to say everything they have done is right and everything anyone else is doing and will do in future will end up being crap - that's essentially what Arment says in that post. And you will get no further discussion from me if that's what you want to subscribe to.

Re: There isn't really much of a tablet market

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Post by jawee » Wed, Jan 05, 2011, 6:41 PM UTC

jamesk2 wrote: post #49

jawee wrote: post #30

I know about five (non-techies) that got Nook Colors and a few people that got Tabs (3 to be exact). It´s probably partially because of the stronghold Verizon holds in my area so AT&T isn´t worth it... there is literally no AT&T service within a 10 mile radius of my house and school. I only know one person who got an iPad; well someone that posted on Facebook. I´m not sure I get the original argument.

I know many more people who have Kindles or iPads and nobody who own a Nook or a Tab... I live in the SF Bay Area but still, it's an oddly different market where you are... where are you?

I am in a suburb a good ways south of Atlanta, Georgia. Apple seems to have a relatively low market in general in my immediate vicinity except for iPods.