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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #302
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #161

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" biggest sponsor of terrorism, ...." Mohammed Bone Saw, and the rest of the billionaires in Saudi Arabia who funded 9/11 would beg to differ. The only reason we are embargoing Iran is because AIPAC tells us to. Iran has never done anything to the United States. Saudi Arabia killed 3,000 Americans in 2 hours, and we didn't seem to mind.

Iran helped Hezbollah bomb US citizens - hundreds died. First the US Embassy in Lebanon and then the US Marines Barracks who were on a UN mission to protect Christians during the Lebanon Civil War. Iran also sponsored and trained extremists in Iraq responsible for killing and maiming thousands of U.S. soldiers. You can count up the death toll, and you'll find that nearly as many US citizens were killed by Iran-backed…

Soldiers are not citizens. When soldiers die in war, they are casualties, they are not victims of terrorism.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by diminoten »

snitko wrote: post #330
diminoten wrote: post #326

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That's fine, but pretending like this is an objectively superior solution and the value prop of these companies doesn't exist is flat wrong. What if someone applied your own logic to buying your product (why pay when I can get the exact same thing from free tools)? It'd be annoying and generally wrong, wouldn't it?

I'm happy to pay. To me, however, the value lies in predictability, sustainability and avoiding the risk of deplatforming. Tech companies come and go and are subject to political issues (as proven by Github). Thus, sometimes, it's wiser to pay engineers to set things up than buy a product/service.

You're shifting the conversation though, this wasn't about what your priorities are it was about whether or not the products provide value. You claimed they don't, you are now saying they do provide value?

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by espeed »

whoopdedo wrote: post #244
espeed wrote: post #206

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See comments in this previous thread from 31 days ago [1]... Google Safety & Security Blog: An update on state-sponsored activity (2018) ... Detecting and terminating activity on Google properties "Actors engaged in this type of influence operation violate our policies, and we swiftly remove such content from our services and terminate these actors’ accounts. Additionally, we use a number of robust methods, including…

Can we start calling this "The Great Reverse Firewall"?

Not all of it is US sanctions [1]. The US will protect its networks and will not allow a foreign adversary to use US platforms to target US citizens, but the US has no incentive to restrict the Iranian people's access to information or communications or ability to speak. Most of Iran's cyberspace restrictions are coming from within...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran

[1] "Iran's Rulers Speak Of More Cyberspace Restrictions As Conditions Worsen" https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-s-rulers-speak-of-more-cybe...

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by snitko »

diminoten wrote: post #332
snitko wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to pay. To me, however, the value lies in predictability, sustainability and avoiding the risk of deplatforming. Tech companies come and go and are subject to political issues (as proven by Github). Thus, sometimes, it's wiser to pay engineers to set things up than buy a product/service.

You're shifting the conversation though, this wasn't about what your priorities are it was about whether or not the products provide value. You claimed they don't, you are now saying they do provide value?

I never said those products don't provide value, I only said they're not exceptional in providing that value and that value can be obtained by carefully considering alternative solutions.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by diminoten »

snitko wrote: post #334
diminoten wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're shifting the conversation though, this wasn't about what your priorities are it was about whether or not the products provide value. You claimed they don't, you are now saying they do provide value?

I never said those products don't provide value, I only said they're not exceptional in providing that value and that value can be obtained by carefully considering alternative solutions.

> There's really not a lot of reasons to use Gitlab or Github or Slack or a number of other services.

That is completely different from what you are saying now...

Also, "that value can be found elsewhere" is a devious little shift in the meaning of the word "value" in "value prop". Nice try but no, that isn't the same thing.

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