I was disabled by bad surgery and lost my career. No system that ostensibly should have helped, did. Denied. Denied. Denied. YEARS of adversarial, not default helpful, meetings and challenges and interviews. I saw people worse than me refused help. I saw real time as people who knew me for years or life, who respected me and my career choice helping others, decided I was a lazy mooch who wasn't trying hard enough, wa…
"get out of you don't like it" Nobody saying this has actually researched it. Too many people in the states are under the impression you can just up and move to a European country, no problem. One friendly-but-clueless acquaintance got flown back from Heathrow for asking the immigration officer about where to find jobs when she landed. If you don't/can't: * work in tech or medicine * go to university in Europe in a h…
Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty
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#152It's a complicated issue.. but every person or family that makes a level up transition (without rent-seeking) like. poor -> middle middle -> upper upper -> rich/millionaire millionaire -> billionaire have my respect.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Never mind that the average wait time to see a doctor in Canada is almost 20 weeks... The way this is stated is very misleading. The average time to get surgery is 20 weeks. This varies a lot by what kind of surgery you're talking about[1]. The average waiting time to see a doctor in the ER is measured in hours, with 27% of Canadians waiting 4 hours or more[2]. As a Canadian, I'm tired of Americans shitting on Cana…
Some preeminent foreign statesmen rulers who have gotten / who are getting their surgeries done in the United States. Daniel E. "Danny" Williams, QC a Canadian politician, businessman and lawyer who served as the ninth Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador between November 6, 2003, and December 3, 2010. [1] Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud was King of Saudi Arabia and Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques from 2005 to his d…
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what it's worth, the ambition on the left over here (in the US) is to eliminate means testing for programs as much as possible. Healthcare problems? Free healthcare for everyone, no forms required. No home? Everyone gets a free / low cost house. We aim to do much more than that (give control of the economy to the people), but a robust welfare state is a good start.
Oh my god, I just read news about some "centrist" Democrats arguing against universal single-payer healthcare on the grounds that some segment of the working population already gets a nice healthcare package as a benefit, and somehow it would be unfair to those people if everyone was eligible to reasonable medical care. I mean, with Democrats like that, why do you even need Republicans?
America needs two periods with Democrats: the first one won with/by centrists, who then fix up the electoral system issues (gerrymandering, FPTP, voter suppression, campaign financing) and the second period where the left wing fixes the societal issues (income/wealth inequality, healthcare, "free speech" allowing people to walk with Swastikas).
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I'm from Norway. The backside of the medal when it comes to welfare services of that kind is the rather humiliating process you have to go through to actually get them. I've heard many stories about this. Yes, you'll get help if you do as they say, but it can feel very invasive at times. Some clueless bureaucrat will need to know about your finances and all your medical issues, and if it's not a clear-cut case, these…
I feel like it's partly made to avoid people abusing the system. In France for example a lot of people go to the doctor for the most ridiculous things because 1: it's free (at least at the individual level) and 2: it's an easy way to get a sick leave (sick leaves have been exploding in the last few years). Same with emergency rooms, people don't know what an emergency is, they just use them as walk in clinic. Every t…
Is it though? As far as I remember, to visit a doctor you had to pay €25 out of your pocket at the moment of the visit, 70% of which would be refunded by your health insurance at a later point (under the state system, and potentially more if you're paying for the additional private insurance or "mutuelle".
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#157> So Japanese people are doing everything right -- eschewing violence, avoiding drugs, working hard and not having kids out of wedlock. They are following the conservative prescription, as well as or better than any other developed country in the world. And yet still, many of them are poor. This suggests that there is something very wrong with the conservative theory of poverty. No, the author is confused. There is a…
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#158It's a complicated issue.. but every person or family that makes a level up transition (without rent-seeking) like. poor -> middle middle -> upper upper -> rich/millionaire millionaire -> billionaire have my respect.
Only the first one has my respect. The second one I'm neutral towards, the others fail as human beings in my view.
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A possible explanation for what you've experienced can be found in the just-world hypothesis [0], or in the belief that we live in a meritocracy. It is simply a foundational part of many people's worldview and nothing sort of experiencing similar traumas will make them reconsider. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
the just-world fallacy is a much more appropriate term. > the cognitive bias (or assumption) that a person's actions are inherently inclined to bring morally fair and fitting consequences to that person
Note that this is in exact opposition to the wealth-heaven-camel-needle teaching in the bible. But that doesn't seem to matter. I'm sure there are interpretations that can make it go away.
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Oh my god, I just read news about some "centrist" Democrats arguing against universal single-payer healthcare on the grounds that some segment of the working population already gets a nice healthcare package as a benefit, and somehow it would be unfair to those people if everyone was eligible to reasonable medical care. I mean, with Democrats like that, why do you even need Republicans?
Right, of course we should want single-payer, just like Canada! Never mind that the average wait time to see a doctor in Canada is almost 20 weeks, and that tens of thousands of Canadians cross the border to the US every year to avoid that wait... There are tradeoffs with everything. Personally I think people should proactively try to live healthier lives - the medical establishment is about making money, not making…
As such you can not directly compare a system where going to the doctor costs money with one where it does not.
This is one of the biggest problems with the US system: Nobody knows the extent of the unserved need, and what that ends up costing society in lost productivity (never mind the human suffering) because people avoid healthcare services they know they can't afford.
But we can compare Canada to other socialized systems, and many do more with less and still end up with shorter wait times.
The vast majority of the worlds healthcare systems also do not prevent people from going private.
Most places also allow you to buy your way past the queues. As such, the difference is stark: Most places you have the choice of waiting, and paying much less, or paying for private services and get seen as quickly as those who can afford it do in the US while a large number of people in the US has no access to a lot of healthcare services at all.
Want to bet whether the people who can't afford to buy healthcare services would prefer waiting 20 weeks - or any amount of weeks - to get treated vs. getting no treatment at all?
Now consider that average US spending per taxpayer in the US on Medicare and Medicaid is substantially higher than the per taxpayer spending to fully fund universal healthcare in the UK for example. And then on top of that Americans buy private insurance since most are not covered by Medicare and Medicaid.
Most Americans pay twice. Meanwhile in the UK only 10% find it worthwhile "paying twice" by having private insurance, even though most private insurances in the UK are very cheap for the simple reason that there's simply no demand for replacing A&E, ICU type services, and relatively little demand for covering private GP services (most people can be seen by their GP quickly, and a private consultation on occasion is cheap), so the insurances mostly cover seeing a specialist quickly if the NHS has a waiting list, or getting surgery quicker if the NHS has a waiting list.
This is what I really don't get about the US debate: The poor regulatory regime basically mean Americans are already paying enough towards healthcare to provide universal coverage via taxes alone if the regulations were properly reformed. A start would simply be to remodel Medicare after e.g. the NHS model, and allow it to exercise its market power to drive down costs, and use the savings to extend coverage.
As it stands, the inadequacy of the US healthcare system is largely down to corporate welfare in the form of regulations that actively prevent the government from providing cost-effective healthcare services.