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Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by codesushi42 » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #52

echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

This woman is trying to trick men into sending her money. Don't be naive.

Trick men? In return for what?

What a hilarious spin on this. Are you implying they signed a contract or something? The fault is on the men who were stupid enough to send money to begin with.

The outright chauvinist attitude of tech bros is funny and sad, to say the least. "It is the women who are to blame for me acting horny!"

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by hestipod » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 6:55 PM UTC

burk96 wrote: post #54

hestipod wrote: post #12

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On casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard: Reporter: "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Rodenberry: "No, by the 24th century, no one will care." I doubt even a few hundred years will wash out vanity and the worst parts of us, but here's to hoping.

I believe vanity of some sort is an innately human trait, I doubt societal changes will eliminate it. Rather I see a future that the reporter was alluding to, where our bodies are just as customizable as a digital filter like the streamer used. Who knows, as crazy as it may sound, perhaps in a few hundred years most social interaction will be "assisted" by VR, AR, or some other reality changing technology where we do…

That VR future idea sounds horrifying to me. I want to know the genuine person, not fakery. It just ruins the point of any relationship for me...which is to share experience, honestly, vulnerability. If it all becomes a performance then why do we even need people? Just some AI pretending to be some character is good enough.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by danso » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 6:56 PM UTC

chipperyman573 wrote: post #63

danso wrote: post #27

Wow, this shows how out of touch I am with social media and technology. I know that Apple's 3d-camera phones enable chat via Animoji, but that applies a cartoon image across your face. I didn't realize reality-enhancement filters (e.g. face thinners) were good enough to work in real-time? I'm confused because the links in the article just show the woman's real face [0], and not footage of when the filter was actually…

The tech is pretty grown up at this point... If you open up snapchat and hold down on your face while the selfie camera is active, a lot of masks will show up that change your face in real-time. One of these swaps your gender (and does a pretty good job of it to be honest). And this is just running on a phone (including android where there's no AI chip like in iphones), I'm sure with a computer you can do much better…

Ok, I found an example (I don't have snapchat installed) of one of these filters working on video (not sure if it would work for live streaming):

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/want-to-try-that-gender-face-swa...

I guess it looks...obviously like a filter, with particular distortion around the hair? In the BBC story's lede image [0], which purports to be two photos of the same vlogger, with and without the filter, her "filtered" face is substantially slimmed, yet the hair near the software-slimmed contours of the face looks, not fake at all?

[0] https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/123E0/production...

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by sdegutis » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

devoply wrote: post #64

sdegutis wrote: post #56

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"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity." The words vanity and vain come from the Latin word for empty, or without substance or value. When we alter our appearance, it's because we put value or merit in something that inherently has no merit. We all want a reason to hold our head up high. Some look for it in athletics, others in academia, others in financial success. This woman looked for it by faking her physical appeara…

> we are made in the image and likeness of God. We are all little images of God, and if we truly understand that we have inherent dignity, then nobody can take that from us, no matter how poor or ugly or uneducated we are. That's pretty easy when you invent a God. Rhetorical non-sense aside, fact is that appearance matters to people a lot... as does age. Making up rhetoric does not fix any of this, and only makes peo…

> fact is that appearance matters to people a lot

Appearance matters even taking God into account. How we dress is a silent way of communicating to others what we value, what our business is, what kind of extra dignities we have, and how we think of others.

If for no good reason, the President went to the store in either his pajamas or renaissance clothing at 2pm on a Wednesday, he wouldn't be conveying his dignity as leader of a whole nation, he wouldn't be properly communicating his business there, he would be communicating his values, and he would be setting an example and a precedent.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by marvin » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 7:02 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

Without making any comments about my moral stance on this, I am pretty confident that this will never happen with the current biological makeup of humans. The best we can hope for at some point is beauty and physical attractivity available cheaply and for everyone, at their own choosing -- whatever and whenever they'd want.

Humans are evolved to be attracted to certain physical things, and although it would be nice if we could get around that, I think the easier thing would just be to accommodate for it.

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Post by sverige » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 7:03 PM UTC

themattress wrote: post #48

sverige wrote: post #11

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There are quite a few making a living from live-streaming in the Anglosphere as well. I'm amazed that men send money. (OK, maybe amazed is the wrong word.) I remember reading a while back about some controversy that some of the female live-streamers were being reported to the IRS for unreported income, with the IRS sending audit notices to them.

I think the a bunch of trolls, probably the incel crowd on 4chan and the like got that going: https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/internet-trolls-are-threatenin...

That's it. I forgot they were sexually explicit. Apparently those in TFA are not.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by EpicEng » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 7:04 PM UTC

codesushi42 wrote: post #71

EpicEng wrote: post #52

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This woman is trying to trick men into sending her money. Don't be naive.

Trick men? In return for what? What a hilarious spin on this. Are you implying they signed a contract or something? The fault is on the men who were stupid enough to send money to begin with. The outright chauvinist attitude of tech bros is funny and sad, to say the least. "It is the women who are to blame for me acting horny!"

>What a hilarious spin on this. Are you implying they signed a contract or something? The fault is on the men who were stupid enough to send money to begin with.

Agreed. They fell for her... trick. Why do you believe the two are mutually exclusive?

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Post by SolaceQuantum » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 7:09 PM UTC

hestipod wrote: post #65

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #60

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The examples you provide are more exaggerated than I am saying. Even your greatest role models have probably genuinely thought harm to others in flashes of anger, done things to people that they later regret, have their moments of genuine cruelty to other. But interacting with them doesn't mean you get a list of all their sins and insecurities at the time, and neither are you obligated to them, which makes them seem…

As I said, the normal human failings/thoughts/emotions are not the same thing as this articles premise. I also do not accept that everyone has moments of cruelty. Cruel thoughts are not the same thing. We all think things and choosing how we react is the difference. I feel that trying to claim even the best people are secretly hiding evils is an attempt to feel better about one's own feelings or actions. I am confide…

My agrument is not the article's premise applies equally to everyone in severity. My argument is that people are never who they present themselves to be. This is due a variety of things, a mix of intentional avoidance of topics and impossibility to completely share a lifetime experience with another, atomic human mind.

That you assume this claim is itself a deceptive act is an easy cognitive shortcut from parsing that I could be potentially as honest as you in my viewpoint. Why do that?

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by codesushi42 » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 7:09 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #77

codesushi42 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trick men? In return for what? What a hilarious spin on this. Are you implying they signed a contract or something? The fault is on the men who were stupid enough to send money to begin with. The outright chauvinist attitude of tech bros is funny and sad, to say the least. "It is the women who are to blame for me acting horny!"

>What a hilarious spin on this. Are you implying they signed a contract or something? The fault is on the men who were stupid enough to send money to begin with. Agreed. They fell for her... trick. Why do you believe the two are mutually exclusive?

There is no trick without some mutual agreement on what will be given in return. And there wasn't any agreement.

Your reasoning is the same as this: a guy takes a girl out to an expensive dinner, expecting sex in return. And then he yells foul when she declines, even though there was never any agreement on her end. "But she tricked me into thinking she would!"

You are parroting the same bullshit, chauvinist reasoning that is so pervasive in the tech community.

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Post by inscionent » Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

sdegutis wrote: post #56

devoply wrote: post #18

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Yeah pretty much. And no one should be against this. This is allowing people to be who they want to be instead of being limited by who they are... It is no different than someone getting plastic surgery to change their appearance... which I guess some people still despise but I don't see it any differently from someone who is transgender and wants to get an operation and drugs to make them more like their chosen gend…

"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity." The words vanity and vain come from the Latin word for empty, or without substance or value. When we alter our appearance, it's because we put value or merit in something that inherently has no merit. We all want a reason to hold our head up high. Some look for it in athletics, others in academia, others in financial success. This woman looked for it by faking her physical appeara…

One person's vanity is another's identity. Dressing up like Bronie can be just a fulfilling as singing a hymn.

If you want everyone to stand tall with you, try meeting them where they are instead of pushing your world view as supreme.