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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

hestipod wrote: post #12
echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

On casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard: Reporter: "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Rodenberry: "No, by the 24th century, no one will care." I doubt even a few hundred years will wash out vanity and the worst parts of us, but here's to hoping.

That's a cool quote, but I think the reality of the situation is that as technology gives us more control of our personal appearance looks move from an explicit status indicator to more of a fashion choice.

Vain people will definitely still exist, but excess weight or baldness will be probably be a conscious presentation choice and social signal, rather than a marker of genetics or dietary habits.

In this environment it would be incorrect to say "no one will care", but hopefully people will care less and less as they age out of that period of their life in which self expression and fashion choices tend to have gratuitous importance based on our insecurities of youth.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by EpicEng »

echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

This woman is trying to trick men into sending her money. Don't be naive.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

Diederich wrote: post #40
crocbuzz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on some of the most popular Twitch.tv channels, you'll see lots of that happening. Too many to count on two hands. It's unbelievable and quite sad.

> quite sad. I wonder if you can expand on that.

It’s not sad if you can afford it and enjoy the content created by the streamer. I can see why one might call it sad though if you are donating significant amounts of money relative to your spending capacities to someone that you wouldn’t donate to if they looked differently.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by burk96 »

hestipod wrote: post #12
echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

On casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard: Reporter: "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Rodenberry: "No, by the 24th century, no one will care." I doubt even a few hundred years will wash out vanity and the worst parts of us, but here's to hoping.

I believe vanity of some sort is an innately human trait, I doubt societal changes will eliminate it. Rather I see a future that the reporter was alluding to, where our bodies are just as customizable as a digital filter like the streamer used. Who knows, as crazy as it may sound, perhaps in a few hundred years most social interaction will be "assisted" by VR, AR, or some other reality changing technology where we do present ourselves as digital avatars.

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Post by hestipod »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #51
hestipod wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard: Reporter: "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Rodenberry: "No, by the 24th century, no one will care." I doubt even a few hundred years will wash out vanity and the worst parts of us, but here's to hoping.

That's a cool quote, but I think the reality of the situation is that as technology gives us more control of our personal appearance looks move from an explicit status indicator to more of a fashion choice. Vain people will definitely still exist, but excess weight or baldness will be probably be a conscious presentation choice and social signal, rather than a marker of genetics or dietary habits. In this environment…

I imagine your assessment to be more realistic, and the quote to be far too optimistic, even though I wish for the opposite.

I know women have an entirely different level of pressure in this arena and the idea of not wearing makeup or being fashionable enough has a larger impact on them socially...as a man I recognize the differences...but have still never cared about such things and not wanted to invest myself in those who would judge me or someone else because of shallow things. I will, as I mentioned in another comment, be respectful when it matters, and not say go to a funeral in pajamas and unkempt, as to not make it about me. But in my daily life I leave vanity at the mirror. My behavior defines me to anyone I care about and theirs to me, not looks or trends.

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Post by sdegutis »

devoply wrote: post #18
cwkoss wrote: post #13

This is just a form of digital makeup. I predict that using a young attractive avatar will become the social norm and this sort of thing will be entirely unobjectionable within a decade.

Yeah pretty much. And no one should be against this. This is allowing people to be who they want to be instead of being limited by who they are... It is no different than someone getting plastic surgery to change their appearance... which I guess some people still despise but I don't see it any differently from someone who is transgender and wants to get an operation and drugs to make them more like their chosen gend…

"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

The words vanity and vain come from the Latin word for empty, or without substance or value.

When we alter our appearance, it's because we put value or merit in something that inherently has no merit.

We all want a reason to hold our head up high. Some look for it in athletics, others in academia, others in financial success. This woman looked for it by faking her physical appearance.

But the best reason is something we can't merit: we are made in the image and likeness of God. We are all little images of God, and if we truly understand that we have inherent dignity, then nobody can take that from us, no matter how poor or ugly or uneducated we are.

And then we won't feel the need to put ourselves high up. And we won't feel the need to put others below us. We'll want others to know their own dignity, so they might stand tall with us!

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by redthrow »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #17

I'm a guy and I have no idea why some guys throw ridiculous money at good looking girls online. You have no chance of meeting them, let alone anything else. If anything, throw money at not so good looking people, their lives are harder on average.

There are people who only tip good money in restaurants when the waitor is not so good looking, to counter balance this tendency for many people. Looks should not matter when it comes to serving food (although they seem to do in reality).

When the product/service is based on people's good looks (e.g. models in adverts, Hollywood movies), the story would be different. The online streamers probably belong to this category to some extent, because people do like looking at beautiful people.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by onemoresoop »

gwbas1c wrote: post #38
echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

> I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. The only way to do that is to get rid of clothes, haircuts, and shaving. Not to get religious on you, but Adam and Eve realized that we're naked around the time we evolved into humans. I like changing my appearance. It's just part of who I am. I hope you take joy in…

I don't think anything of groomed middle aged man who are gray or are in the process of graying out, they're wearing their age gracefully, but when I see one with a bad hair dye, the instant judgement I get is one of weakness, lack of confidence in oneself, clinging to their past youth.

Re: Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

hestipod wrote: post #19
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #5

Everyone is presenting false versions of themselves, especially the people who present themselves as a true version of themselves. I'm admittedly quite sadenned by the continued commodification of female appearances in this manner. I am curious if male vlogging has similar tricks to get more $$$.

I don't agree with this. At least except not in the most pedantic philosophical sense. My role models were people who acted the same when they didn't know anyone was looking, or there was no reward. They didn't put on fake personas or dramatically code switch. They didn't primp and accessorize to meet some vain expectation. They were of course respectful of others expectations and wouldn't go to a funeral in pajamas…

The examples you provide are more exaggerated than I am saying. Even your greatest role models have probably genuinely thought harm to others in flashes of anger, done things to people that they later regret, have their moments of genuine cruelty to other. But interacting with them doesn't mean you get a list of all their sins and insecurities at the time, and neither are you obligated to them, which makes them seem untarnished by all their bad things they done, thought, believed, so on and so forth. And they won't tell you either, not until you get to really know them.
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