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Middle-aged vlogger who used filter to look young caught in live-stream glitch

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Post by munk-a »

Diederich wrote: post #40
crocbuzz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on some of the most popular Twitch.tv channels, you'll see lots of that happening. Too many to count on two hands. It's unbelievable and quite sad.

> quite sad. I wonder if you can expand on that.

I cannot conceive of how being able to view someone carries an equal value for a person as a week or two in Cancun chilling - or how they can spend money that easily that took them weeks of their life to earn through labour[1].

[1] There's a segment of the population that I'm ignoring those that are either trust fund babies or useless economic leeches, when those people blow 100k on a car that they immediate crash I just shrug - but I know a lot of the people following these cams are actually working people (probably white collar, but still actually working for a living).

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Post by zzzcpan »

apo wrote: post #45

The article links to this video of the incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8m4jYaALIA Without video of the filter in action, I'm skeptical of the claim. It seems plausible that the person on the left is using a filter of some kind.

Yeah, the tech is not at the level of side by side images shown in the video. Only at the level of taking forever to replace a face in another video.

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Post by chipperyman573 »

danso wrote: post #27

Wow, this shows how out of touch I am with social media and technology. I know that Apple's 3d-camera phones enable chat via Animoji, but that applies a cartoon image across your face. I didn't realize reality-enhancement filters (e.g. face thinners) were good enough to work in real-time? I'm confused because the links in the article just show the woman's real face [0], and not footage of when the filter was actually…

The tech is pretty grown up at this point... If you open up snapchat and hold down on your face while the selfie camera is active, a lot of masks will show up that change your face in real-time. One of these swaps your gender (and does a pretty good job of it to be honest). And this is just running on a phone (including android where there's no AI chip like in iphones), I'm sure with a computer you can do much better!

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Post by devoply »

sdegutis wrote: post #56
devoply wrote: post #18

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Yeah pretty much. And no one should be against this. This is allowing people to be who they want to be instead of being limited by who they are... It is no different than someone getting plastic surgery to change their appearance... which I guess some people still despise but I don't see it any differently from someone who is transgender and wants to get an operation and drugs to make them more like their chosen gend…

"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity." The words vanity and vain come from the Latin word for empty, or without substance or value. When we alter our appearance, it's because we put value or merit in something that inherently has no merit. We all want a reason to hold our head up high. Some look for it in athletics, others in academia, others in financial success. This woman looked for it by faking her physical appeara…

> we are made in the image and likeness of God. We are all little images of God, and if we truly understand that we have inherent dignity, then nobody can take that from us, no matter how poor or ugly or uneducated we are.

That's pretty easy when you invent a God. Rhetorical non-sense aside, fact is that appearance matters to people a lot... as does age. Making up rhetoric does not fix any of this, and only makes people's biases more subconscious. The best way to overcome their biases is technology, rather than words... as you can not subvert what you are seeing, as seeing is believing, where can easily subvert what you claim you believe.

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Post by hestipod »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #60
hestipod wrote: post #19

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I don't agree with this. At least except not in the most pedantic philosophical sense. My role models were people who acted the same when they didn't know anyone was looking, or there was no reward. They didn't put on fake personas or dramatically code switch. They didn't primp and accessorize to meet some vain expectation. They were of course respectful of others expectations and wouldn't go to a funeral in pajamas…

The examples you provide are more exaggerated than I am saying. Even your greatest role models have probably genuinely thought harm to others in flashes of anger, done things to people that they later regret, have their moments of genuine cruelty to other. But interacting with them doesn't mean you get a list of all their sins and insecurities at the time, and neither are you obligated to them, which makes them seem…

As I said, the normal human failings/thoughts/emotions are not the same thing as this articles premise. I also do not accept that everyone has moments of cruelty. Cruel thoughts are not the same thing. We all think things and choosing how we react is the difference. I feel that trying to claim even the best people are secretly hiding evils is an attempt to feel better about one's own feelings or actions. I am confident in the examples I look up to be sure I "know" their true natures.

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hestipod wrote: post #12
echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

On casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard: Reporter: "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Rodenberry: "No, by the 24th century, no one will care." I doubt even a few hundred years will wash out vanity and the worst parts of us, but here's to hoping.

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

dx87 wrote: post #24
echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

I don't think she was using the filter because she was self concsious, she was trying to mislead young men so they'd give her money. Similar things happen on twitch. There was one woman on twitch who hid her marriage so people would think that if they donated enough money, they'd have a chance at a relationship with her, and people who donated thousands of dollars to try and win her favor were really upset when they…

mislead is a very loaded word here. Those men have no special entitlement to a woman on the internet being sexually available to them. The idea that they should have such a thing reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Blue

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Post by dragonwriter »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #68
dx87 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think she was using the filter because she was self concsious, she was trying to mislead young men so they'd give her money. Similar things happen on twitch. There was one woman on twitch who hid her marriage so people would think that if they donated enough money, they'd have a chance at a relationship with her, and people who donated thousands of dollars to try and win her favor were really upset when they…

mislead is a very loaded word here. Those men have no special entitlement to a woman on the internet being sexually available to them. The idea that they should have such a thing reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Blue

> mislead is a very loaded word here. Those men have no special entitlement to a woman on the internet being sexually available to them.

And she has no entitlement to their money. She is misleading them to get money, and whether they are entitled to her being sexually available is, actually, entirely irrelevant to the truth of that description, and nothing about such an entitlement is implied by describing her deception as misleading.

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Post by quacked »

hestipod wrote: post #12
echelon wrote: post #8

I want to live in a world where everyone is confident in themselves and doesn't care what others think about superficial details outside of character. In the far-far future that may never come, I imagine people exist in a virtual continuum and can change all aspects of their appearance such that they never feel slighted by their perceived place in a fitness gradient they cannot change. Maybe technology is helping us…

On casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard: Reporter: "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Rodenberry: "No, by the 24th century, no one will care." I doubt even a few hundred years will wash out vanity and the worst parts of us, but here's to hoping.

Right, you'd have to get rid of the visual aspect of sex appeal. Impossible.
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