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Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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Such categories are only an approximation of reality to help with classification. There is stuff like ring species [1] for example or species complex [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_complex

Very helpful links, I didn't know the term ring species

I thought that unlike what was previously thought, there are no known examples of ring species.

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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Some of these species are thought to be smarter than us, so you better be careful or you will end up the specimen in the zoo.

No, they're not. The only 'evidence' for this is cranial size. Neanderthals had larger brain sizes than modern humans. Now let's look at all the other evidence. Neanderthals existed longer than the entire existence of humans. And in that time they never managed to get out of the stone age. Stone age sounds nicer than it is. Beat two rocks together, sharp stuff falls off, use it => you're in the stone age. Contrary to…

Evidence points to the Neanderthals being an advanced group of peoples, interesting for me is their glue https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/news/a2... Stone tools are not easy to make, it requires great skill and many could be classified as works of art. It could be said that modern Europeans/Asians are off shoots of Neanderthals

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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Yeah, seems more logical to say ancient human experienced a number genetic divergences which were then folded into the mainline of the genetic stream.

Environment plays a huge role. If a nomadic group was in a jungle-like environment, wouldn’t they more likely develop the traits of the other species well suited for jungle living? Over a long enough timescale.

> If a nomadic group was in a jungle-like environment, wouldn’t they more likely develop the traits of the other species well suited for jungle living?

Yes, and this has already happened. The African jungle has its pygmies; the Southeast Asian peninsula and surrounding islands have their pygmies; and those two groups are totally unrelated.

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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If we interbred with them, how are they actually species? It seems more to me you're talking more about racial or breed differences akin to breeds of dogs if two species actually successfuly had viable offspring in the wild.

Because "race" is a toxic badthink word. This isn't about science, and what you call this group of hominids is not that important anyways.

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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"Homo sapiens" is Latin for "wise man," but there were many Hominin species who possessed comparative culture, art, and intelligence. Neanderthals actually had larger brains compared to modern humans[0]. There are many theories on why Neanderthals became extinct[1]; my favorite is that we simply outbred them because of our sex appeal. What is Latin for "sexy human?"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anatomy

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_extinction

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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"Homo sapiens" is Latin for "wise man," but there were many Hominin species who possessed comparative culture, art, and intelligence. Neanderthals actually had larger brains compared to modern humans[0]. There are many theories on why Neanderthals became extinct[1]; my favorite is that we simply outbred them because of our sex appeal. What is Latin for "sexy human?" [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anato…

Brain size correlates to intelligence, but not aware of any causation that makes this worthwhile comparing. Any new literature worth reading?

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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If we interbred with them, how are they actually species? It seems more to me you're talking more about racial or breed differences akin to breeds of dogs if two species actually successfuly had viable offspring in the wild.

Such categories are only an approximation of reality to help with classification. There is stuff like ring species [1] for example or species complex [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_complex

Any known ring species where (A + B cannot breed OR B + C cannot breed) AND A + B can breed? Assume not possible?

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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"Homo sapiens" is Latin for "wise man," but there were many Hominin species who possessed comparative culture, art, and intelligence. Neanderthals actually had larger brains compared to modern humans[0]. There are many theories on why Neanderthals became extinct[1]; my favorite is that we simply outbred them because of our sex appeal. What is Latin for "sexy human?" [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anato…

They had greater cranial capacity than us, but so do elephants and whales. And the animal with the greatest brain-to-body-size ratio is tree shrew, suggesting that size doesn't really matter when it comes to intelligence.

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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post #58

"Homo sapiens" is Latin for "wise man," but there were many Hominin species who possessed comparative culture, art, and intelligence. Neanderthals actually had larger brains compared to modern humans[0]. There are many theories on why Neanderthals became extinct[1]; my favorite is that we simply outbred them because of our sex appeal. What is Latin for "sexy human?" [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anato…

They had greater cranial capacity than us, but so do elephants and whales. And the animal with the greatest brain-to-body-size ratio is tree shrew, suggesting that size doesn't really matter when it comes to intelligence.

Neither of those animals has the appropriate morphology to build tools or use complex language. How do we know they aren't actually smarter than us?

Re: Humans Interbred with Four Extinct Hominin Species, Research Finds

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"Homo sapiens" is Latin for "wise man," but there were many Hominin species who possessed comparative culture, art, and intelligence. Neanderthals actually had larger brains compared to modern humans[0]. There are many theories on why Neanderthals became extinct[1]; my favorite is that we simply outbred them because of our sex appeal. What is Latin for "sexy human?" [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anato…

> my favorite is that we simply outbred them because of our sex appeal.

Then why didn't the smart and strong Neanderthal males mate with the sexy Sapiens females?

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