We made it point now to avoid all US-based services. While we're not affected by the sanctions yet, it seems like it is a possibility in the future. There's really not a lot of reasons to use Gitlab or Github or Slack or a number of other services. They're not exceptional in any way and can be replaced by other open-source or commercial projects.
How do you get payments from your customers? Most payments are processed by US companies.
GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Syria: Using chemical weapons, sponsoring terrorism Was there a single UN report that was able to prove with certainty it was from the government and not the opposition? The Syrian government and Russia were winning the war at the time and it didn't make any sense to cross Obama's "red line". As for sponsoring terrorism, I guess you're talking about Saudi Arabia and the US who funneled money and weapons that ended…
" biggest sponsor of terrorism, ...." Mohammed Bone Saw, and the rest of the billionaires in Saudi Arabia who funded 9/11 would beg to differ. The only reason we are embargoing Iran is because AIPAC tells us to. Iran has never done anything to the United States. Saudi Arabia killed 3,000 Americans in 2 hours, and we didn't seem to mind.
You can count up the death toll, and you'll find that nearly as many US citizens were killed by Iran-backed operations over the decades as were killed by Wahabbist operations (including 9/11). https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/american-victims-of-ter...
Mohammad Bin-Salman is getting the realpolitik pass because he so far is significantly more secularist than his rivals and predecessors and is relatively tolerant of the US & Israel compared to his rivals. Regardless of your feelings on AIPAC, that's a necessary step toward peace in the region. The Muslim Brotherhood and other Sunni fundamentalists despise him for that (and for how strictly and sometimes horrifically Saudi agencies are treating them). The current Prince deserves criticism, but you're lumping him in with the wrong faction.
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
#303Crimea: Illegal occupation by Russia. Ethnic cleansing. Syria: Using chemical weapons, sponsoring terrorism Iran: Assisting Syria; Actively developing nukes they say they will use, nuclear proliferation, biggest sponsor of terrorism, .... On the other hand, some people can't use an internet service. Oh! The inhumanity! Get a sense of proportion.
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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>They added the option to make private repos public so you can back it up. And allow all to see their contents, likes business and trade secrets. Top tier.
Yep. If you want to access your blocked private repo, you literally have to let everyone access it. And you can’t even delete it afterwards.
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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Enter... crypto
That's just shifting the problem one inconvenience further. How do you purchase cryptocurrencies without Visa/MasterCard/PayPal?
Or peer to peer cash/crypto swap might be required.
Or businesses themselves sell some of their services with crypto.
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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Ya know what was actually disgusting? The war in Iraq, or any other recent regime change the US executed. If economic warfare is the way it’s done now, then that’s great. Let the casualties be inconvenienced github users, rather than ya know, actual casualties...
False dichotomy! Economic sanctions are not the only alternative to actual wars. In fact, they are a form of collective punishment that harm average citizens of these countries more than their governments. And this is not just about some inconvenienced github users; this has been a contentious issue in every natural disaster [1]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-floods-redcrescent/f...
When one country vows to wipe another country off the map, it’s reasonable for other countries to take some action against that. When a dictator spends the better part of a decade bombing its civilians, it’s reasonable for other countries to take some action against that.
Your options really are to retaliate with force, or sanctions. Economic sanctions are far less harmful, and far more productive. I’d bet that all those Syrians you see on the news digging their dead family members out of the rubble of their bombed houses would be more than willing to trade that life for one with economic sanctions.
I’m really struggling to believe that an anti-war stance is now considered controversial on HN.
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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In all fairness, the Iranian government is more popular in Iran than the US govenment in the US. The US sanctions wasn't enacted to help the Iranian people, but to weaken a country that the US perceives as an adversary.
Are they? Or are the Iranian people too afraid of the Revolutionary Guard to say different? If you want to go that route, North Korea has the most popular government and leader on Earth. I don't think you can make claims about popularity of a government that can and does make people disappear who say otherwise.
NK has their own culture too where it's just wrong to critise their rules (or their parents). we need to stop looking at the world from a globalised western lens.
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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Convenience and speed aren't reasons? You're handicapping yourself against your competitors, and no one who does that lasts very long.
Don't see it that way. If I set up a process once, using software that's been tested and been around for a while, it's extremely convenient. And free. And there's no risk of deplatforming.
Ask any founder here: people don't generally randomly throw money without getting value; ergo these multibillion dollar services you're pretending are entirely replaceable with free tools offer some additional value .
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
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Yep. If you want to access your blocked private repo, you literally have to let everyone access it. And you can’t even delete it afterwards.
Couldn't one temporarily travel outside of the affected regions to access their private repos normally?
Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea
#310I think it is interesting and a shame that we accept centralized issue tracking at all. Git is wonderfully distributed, probably in more than most of the github users realize. Unless they've gone out of their way to learn about it. When things like this (github's ban) happen, I think it is too bad that we don't have a widely accepted issue tracker built into git. To be a little more clear, you'd get all of the source…