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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by jwieczorek »

IceWreck wrote: post #148
tallanvor wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is to try and make it unsustainable for Russia to hold. --They have to pour money into the region to keep control of it due to people in the region being unhappy, out of work, etc. I'm not saying it's necessarily a good strategy, mind you.

> They have to pour money into the region to keep control of it due to people in the region being unhappy, out of work, etc. From what I've heard Russia is doing exactly that. And the people there seem happy, atleast according to a reddit AMA by a Crimean.

Well, seeing we already talk anecdotes… I was there myself this year in May on a week-long hike and a few days at the sea, and they're doing alright. The year of 2014 was quite rough (especially with the electricity shortages when Ukraine cut off their supplies), but now, with the two new power plants, they're energetically self-sustainable. After the bridge link to the mainland opened last year and with a newly-rebuilt airport in Simferopol, they also no longer feel so isolated.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by Tinfoilhat666 »

snitko wrote: post #11

We made it point now to avoid all US-based services. While we're not affected by the sanctions yet, it seems like it is a possibility in the future. There's really not a lot of reasons to use Gitlab or Github or Slack or a number of other services. They're not exceptional in any way and can be replaced by other open-source or commercial projects.

How do you get payments from your customers? Most payments are processed by US companies.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by yxhuvud »

mrtksn wrote: post #247
hkai wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how Trump imposed these restrictions against innocent people and got away with it.

I don’t think that it would have been different if someone else was the president. Pre-Trump I had a vacation in Cuba and since I knew that the internet is a luxury there I made Spanish available offline on Google Translate. Works great, then I made the mistake to launch the app when I hade one hour access to the internet in Havana and puff translate is gone. I’m not allowed to use it there. That surely destroyed the…

When it comes to Iran, it definitely would have been different, considering that it was Obama that made the deal that Trump decided to break.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by gdy »

geoka9 wrote: post #253
gdy wrote: post #241

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Let's not confuse events of the 18th century and the modern history. Crimea was called Crimean Khanate at that time and the backbone of its economy was the slave trade. As a major slave trade hub it has seen many hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians captured by Crimean Tatars and sold to Turkey until Catherine the Great's counter-terrorist operation finally put an end to it in 1783 :) This dramatic histor…

> Let's not confuse events of 18th century and the modern history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat...

Are you and 'tomohawk' the same person? Otherwise I don't see a reason why you have brought up 'ethnic cleansing' in this thread.

Nonetheless, the deportation of Crimean Tatars by Stalin in 1944 is a crime and has been repeatedly recognized as such by the modern Russia.

"Most of the Russian population in Crimea are second/third generation settlers"

Even the biased Wikipedia article you linked to doesn't support that.

Edit: please don't edit your comments after they have a reply. Thank you.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by mrtksn »

yxhuvud wrote: post #263
mrtksn wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that it would have been different if someone else was the president. Pre-Trump I had a vacation in Cuba and since I knew that the internet is a luxury there I made Spanish available offline on Google Translate. Works great, then I made the mistake to launch the app when I hade one hour access to the internet in Havana and puff translate is gone. I’m not allowed to use it there. That surely destroyed the…

When it comes to Iran, it definitely would have been different, considering that it was Obama that made the deal that Trump decided to break.

Oh definitely, my comment was intended to highlight how blunt these tools are.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by geoka9 »

gdy wrote: post #264
geoka9 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's not confuse events of 18th century and the modern history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat...

Are you and 'tomohawk' the same person? Otherwise I don't see a reason why you have brought up 'ethnic cleansing' in this thread. Nonetheless, the deportation of Crimean Tatars by Stalin in 1944 is a crime and has been repeatedly recognized as such by the modern Russia. "Most of the Russian population in Crimea are second/third generation settlers" Even the biased Wikipedia article you linked to doesn't support that.…

Yes, I was off with the numbers, so I had deleted my comment just before you replied to it. But the point is still valid: the current ethnic composition of Crimea was greatly affected by the deportation.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by jwieczorek »

amdavidson wrote: post #29
freestate wrote: post #20

How about someone build a platform that is freely available that pushes to github from a not banned Location. Or just stop using github and create or find a truly free platform.

Don't build a system to circumvent sanctions if you're within the reach of the US Government, AKA much of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradit...

There's room for building instruments like this at a state-sponsored level in, say, the EU. The EU has already been working on a special clearing house that would help European businesses circumvent the US-imposed sanctions.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/system-circumvent-san...

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by r3bl »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #88
r3bl wrote: post #52

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The problem is that they'd require a payment method to rent the server somewhere else or to use a non-US company that doesn't offer a generous free plan. The most prominent payment providers (Visa, MasterCard, PayPal) are all US-based. > (and is not required to follow US sanctions due to trade agreements, that'll be hard). I really don't know much about sanctions against Syria and Crimea, but Iranian developers could…

Enter... crypto

That's just shifting the problem one inconvenience further. How do you purchase cryptocurrencies without Visa/MasterCard/PayPal?

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by asenk »

swiley wrote: post #120
tallanvor wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is to try and make it unsustainable for Russia to hold. --They have to pour money into the region to keep control of it due to people in the region being unhappy, out of work, etc. I'm not saying it's necessarily a good strategy, mind you.

That’s horrible. I was unaware of this until now and I’m deeply upset by it. :(

What do you then suggest? Going to war about it, or just letting territorial annexations continue?

If you have no better alternative, what reason is there to be upset?

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by gdy »

geoka9 wrote: post #266
gdy wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you and 'tomohawk' the same person? Otherwise I don't see a reason why you have brought up 'ethnic cleansing' in this thread. Nonetheless, the deportation of Crimean Tatars by Stalin in 1944 is a crime and has been repeatedly recognized as such by the modern Russia. "Most of the Russian population in Crimea are second/third generation settlers" Even the biased Wikipedia article you linked to doesn't support that.…

Yes, I was off with the numbers, so I had deleted my comment just before you replied to it. But the point is still valid: the current ethnic composition of Crimea was greatly affected by the deportation.

According to your own link Crimean Tatars constituted 20% of the population in 1939, nowadays the number 12-15%.

I wouldn't call it 'greatly affected'.

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