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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by jessaustin »

zbentley wrote: post #133
tandem_bike wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-US ideology is strong here, and it's a losing battle speaking reason to ideologues. The ideology is rooted in something I am sympathetic to, even though I am very pro-US. Many here and elsewhere on the internet are either not from the US, or - if they are US citizens - do not personally identify with the power-elite that they feel controls the nation, or with the majority of citizens that comprise the nation…

That argument is disturbingly convenient: it lets you dismiss any evidence-based criticism of US policy as "biased, ignoring the good parts, criticism is inevitable because it's the most powerful country in the world" . . . Without actually engaging with any evidence to the contrary.

Sure, but it could be a positive sign. GP's position could be a transitional phase on the way to enhanced understanding of the world and USA's actions in it. It worked that way for me, anyway. This was approximately my attitude in 2004.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

sdinsn wrote: post #275
ksajadi wrote: post #194

Is there an easy to understand guide for SaaS businesses to be compliant with these specific sanctions?

Yes: don't provide any products or services to Iran, Syria, North Korea, or Crimea.

Uhh. I am sure you know that there exception to every rule. Hell, even current set of Iranian sanctions have them.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

Reason077 wrote: post #72

Wait, Crimea's on the sh*tlist now too? Is this new?

The timing is interesting, but same action could have been taken say 4 years ago and it would technically still be true. Whatever the reason is, it is not the recent SDN update.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by dennisgorelik »

majia wrote: post #26

If Crimea was unwillingly annexed by Russia, then the sanction is punishing the victim instead of the criminal. If Crimea people genuinely supported the unification with Russia and received sanction for that, then it is a blatant attack on Crimean people's freedom.

The victim in Crimea annexation is Budapest Memorandum (1994) that protected Ukrainian territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons.

The United States (and other western countries) are concerned that Crimea annexation encourages nuclear weapons proliferation.

Sanctions against Crimea discourage potential annexations and lower chances of nuclear weapons proliferation in the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by kickopotomus »

njudah wrote: post #189

This thread is a useful reminder to US citizens that if you haven’t registered to vote, its a great idea to do so. The margins of victory in 2016 were small enough (in swing states) that a mobilized hackernews community could have made the difference.

This move has little to do with the current political climate and is more so associated with risk reduction from Microsoft as technology and regulations regarding technology (see Facebook) are coming into focus.

All companies that do business with the US are required to abide by the Export Administration Regulations (EAR)[1] which prohibits exports (unless explicitly exempt) to sanctioned countries. The US has had sanctions on Iran since 1987[2].

This move would have likely happened regardless of who is in the White House.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_Administration_Regulati...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by galangalalgol »

dijit wrote: post #57
PunchTornado wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pff, ridiculous comment. a region doesn't have the right to attach itself to another state. think about it. a bunch of russians move to somewhere near grand canion, do a referendum and then proclaim it russian territory.

There aren't many examples of Unification, but there are examples, maybe this wouldn't be considered one of them. My home country for instance is the "United Kingdom" which is made of up of countries/territories that unified many hundreds of years ago. There's other examples such as the formation of Italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification However, if it's not annexation it's probably better described…

unified is a proper term perhaps but at the time the gaelic speaking peoples would have probably used conquered or maybe colonized.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by dijit »

galangalalgol wrote: post #296
dijit wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't many examples of Unification, but there are examples, maybe this wouldn't be considered one of them. My home country for instance is the "United Kingdom" which is made of up of countries/territories that unified many hundreds of years ago. There's other examples such as the formation of Italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification However, if it's not annexation it's probably better described…

unified is a proper term perhaps but at the time the gaelic speaking peoples would have probably used conquered or maybe colonized.

This is not an appreciable understanding of history. If talking about the UK specifically.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by celticmusic »

tehbeard wrote: post #125
celticmusic wrote: post #113

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and yet, that will be less than the war in iraq. It's github. I would personally be inconvenienced, but not terribly so. I cannot imagine their life is going to crash in some meaningful way for not having access to github.

> it's github. Are you naive enough to think the sanction is explicitly targeted exactly at github, and not any number of services, or part of a wider economic attack?

yes, tehbeard. The takeaway from my comment should have been that I'm naive and have no idea how sanctions work, or why they're used.

That is absolutely, 100%, unequivocally, the most fair interpretation of my comment that you could have made.

I should thank you for this, really. I cannot imagine someone on the internet assuming that maybe my opinion is based upon more than ignorance and naivete.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by [deleted] »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #119
cdmckay wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that sanctions also kill people through lack of supplies like medicine being available, people being unable to economically support themselves, and, if the sanctions cause the government to collapse, all the death that results from that. So let’s not pretend sanctions are somehow nonviolent.

These countries are run by some of the most violent and oppressive regimes in the world. Let’s not pretend that the US is responsible for the quality of life of the people living there. These sanctions are entirely non-violent. The actual word you’re looking for is harmful. They’re designed to be harmful, economically. Responding to regimes like this with economic pressure is most certainly preferable to actual viole…

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