I haven't ever played WoW - and I doubt I ever will, but I would have imagined that the skills gained as a 'guild leader' would be commutable to a lot of management level jobs?
Is this a fair assumption?
Breaking a WoW addiction
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Re: Breaking a WoW addiction
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Re: Breaking a WoW addiction
#43Caveat: it's very easy to extend the criticism of WoW to life itself. Working all these years to be a paramedic, going to school, going to work, for what? To drive some people to the hospital? They're all just going to die anyway. Life is meaningless! What the author is really saying is: "I find more meaning in the real world than in WoW." But this isn't necessarily true for everyone. Having said all that, I think WO…
Working all these years to be a paramedic, going to school, going to work, for what? To drive some people to the hospital? They're all just going to die anyway. Life is meaningless!
Life isn't meaningless. Life is its own goal; doing well in life allows you to achieve happiness.
Re: Breaking a WoW addiction
#44The problem for me with games like WoW, EQ and so on is that they aren't based enough on skills so to compensate you need to spend a lot of time in the game. To contrast. In a game like Quake you are only as good as your Rail-gun aim it's pure skills. Or StarCraft for that matter again skills based. The advantages from these kind of games in combatting addiction is that they are hard to become good at. you can't just…
Exactly the point that I was going to make. Not all games are bad.
I played Quake 3 competitively for 7 years and I have seen a lot of players in the scene having success in different fields outside of computer games.
Games based on competitiveness and skills give you a good deal of insight on how to achieve things in real life.
As for most addicted WoW players, these people are just looking for instant gratification for just a little bit more than minimal effort. They want to achieve something and feel good about themselves and WoW pretty much offers the perfect combination of grind/reward, random surprise (items that drop) and a feeling of belonging.
I doubt that any of these people could stick to long term goals as soon as they stop playing WoW. They would just look for their next fix of quick gratification
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#45The problem for me with games like WoW, EQ and so on is that they aren't based enough on skills so to compensate you need to spend a lot of time in the game. To contrast. In a game like Quake you are only as good as your Rail-gun aim it's pure skills. Or StarCraft for that matter again skills based. The advantages from these kind of games in combatting addiction is that they are hard to become good at. you can't just…
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Re: Breaking a WoW addiction
#46Short version:
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other."
Long version:
Compared to other kinds of entertainment (books, TV, sports, friends) -- World of Warcraft makes you think about it even when you don't play it. The longer you play the game, the more addicted you are, the more you think about all the things you're gonna do. That's how the game's designed.
You think about the game when you're not playing it. It's hard to really focus on something else if you're thinking about the game.
Does that sound familiar to you? If you're a hacker, if you are excited about computers, then it must. It's same with hacking and programming. It's the same principle. For example I tried a little Node.js magic the other night and the first thing I did in the morning was getting live comments to work. Then I found out there could be another cool feature, and so on. Excitement. That's what drives hackers. Call it addiction, whatever. Unlike, WoW, you're doing work, you're making money.
So please, don't be ever excited about WoW. You don't wanna waste your precious excitement thanks to which you make wonders with programming on WoW.
You can do both, but you can't be addicted to both. Which one will you choose?
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#47Is playing a social game where you interact with other people any different than going out to a club or bar? Joining a bowling league? A cycling group? A health club where you go to regular group exercise classes? The meme that video games are inherently evil needs to go away. Why is it socially acceptable to join many clubs and spend time with those people all the time but not "people on the Internet"? Like the Inte…
I'm not of the opinion that video games are inherently evil but to say the social experience you get from playing a video game is some how equivalent to that of meeting people face to face is simply wrong. The key difference being body language. So much of successful human interaction comes from non verbal cues and if you're someone for whom that doesn't come naturally then socializing in WoW is not going to provide…
This is partially true but irrelevant. People don't join a club so they can experience body language. I assume they go so they can form a community and interact with people who share the same interest.
If visual contact was essential for forming significant relationships then the blind would be unable to make friends.
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#48Caveat: it's very easy to extend the criticism of WoW to life itself. Working all these years to be a paramedic, going to school, going to work, for what? To drive some people to the hospital? They're all just going to die anyway. Life is meaningless! What the author is really saying is: "I find more meaning in the real world than in WoW." But this isn't necessarily true for everyone. Having said all that, I think WO…
Working all these years to be a paramedic, going to school, going to work, for what? To drive some people to the hospital? They're all just going to die anyway. Life is meaningless! Life isn't meaningless. Life is its own goal; doing well in life allows you to achieve happiness.
World of Warcraft isn't meaningless. WoW is its own goal; doing well in WoW allows you to achieve happiness.
I think you have to make a more convincing case for why life has meaning and wow hasn't, you can't just spout platitudes and call it a day.
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#49eeeeehhh. As a very avid WoW player of some years now, I would say WoW is something that can easily be something that holds your "life progress" or whatever you want to call it back, but it can also just as easily be played at a successful level (define that however you like) without that effect as well. In the guild I'm in now and a guild I was in in the past I see both: players who are quite literally on welfare or…
You discuss how WoW either hold back life progress or doesn't. Have you (or anyone you know) encountered a case where WoW has helped someone?
Sure, playing WoW lead to me getting a job at a startup (Rupture, which was later sold to EA) and moving to San Francisco. Considering I'm radically happier in my life now than I was previous to living here, I'd say it was quite helpful.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
OH Come on! Life is not meaningless and maybe those people will NOT die anyway. Maybe it's just because you didn't found out by now, what is important for you in live. One example what changes life for ever is having kids. Seeing them grow, laugh and learn things is just amazing. I dunno if this is cry for help, if yes I would like to help. Edit: Why study to become a paramedic? Cause you want to. Cause it is your dr…
Everyone will eventually die anyway. And your reasons can just as easily be turned around. Why work hard to win at WoW? Cause you want to. Cause it is your dream. Cause you ever [sic] wanted to be lvl 80. etc. If your 'argument' applies equally well to any position it is completely meaningless.
> Everyone will eventually die anyway.
Oddly enough, not everyone agrees with that. Some of them are even working on that problem.