Interesting historical tidbit: Many libraries had very lax requirements for library cards pre-9/11. The PATRIOT Act forced them to collect more information. https://sfpl.org/index.php?pg=2000060501&fullsite=true
The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
A library is not loaning you property, it is a public good which you already paid for and have a right to use, the administrative overhead is for the convenience of all library users. A corporation's activities are unknowable but not being a real person it is not entitled to an assumption of good faith and there is no particular right to create new legal entities. We should definitely know who the beneficial owners o…
Other people also have a right to use. How do you prevent the tragedy of the commons without knowing who has what?
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If votes weren't anonymous, maybe. But they are.
Wait, you're assuming anonymity and the ability to "decide later if my vote was valid or not"? How would that work?
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#174A library is loaning you property, usually collateral-free. A corporation is just a placeholder essentially for the activities it will perform, each of which will likely have far more stringent requirements than a library card.
This feels like post hoc rationalization. Read page 4 for an actual side by side comparison. You’ll see that all you really need to get a library card is present a form of identification, and perhaps a utility bill to prove your current address. Whereas for registering a corporation: ” No state requires any information about the person(s) who directly or indirectly own or control the company (often referred to as a b…
And in the US, to continue that example, there are multiple agencies and thousands of pages of regulations overseeing tax accounting and campaign finance. Sure, tons of shady shit still happens... but not because the criminals happened to file as an LLC instead of as sole proprietors.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> which you already paid for Unknowable without knowing who you actually are
Care to elaborate? Are you referring to taxpayers versus non-taxpayers, perhaps?
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#176A library is loaning you property, usually collateral-free. A corporation is just a placeholder essentially for the activities it will perform, each of which will likely have far more stringent requirements than a library card.
A library is not loaning you property, it is a public good which you already paid for and have a right to use, the administrative overhead is for the convenience of all library users. A corporation's activities are unknowable but not being a real person it is not entitled to an assumption of good faith and there is no particular right to create new legal entities. We should definitely know who the beneficial owners o…
Part of the administrative overhead is making sure they get the books back.
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Your thoughts are not old school at all. The Constitution initially left it up to the states to determine who was eligible to vote and most states restricted voting to white, male, property owners - thus requiring a deed of property to register. NJ was pretty progressive allowing women to vote if they had property. Identification and Soviet papers are two completely different things. In the Soviet Union and in China…
What changed such that nobody knows anybody anymore, even in small towns?
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
A library is not loaning you property, it is a public good which you already paid for and have a right to use, the administrative overhead is for the convenience of all library users. A corporation's activities are unknowable but not being a real person it is not entitled to an assumption of good faith and there is no particular right to create new legal entities. We should definitely know who the beneficial owners o…
Other people also have a right to use. How do you prevent the tragedy of the commons without knowing who has what?
Does this exact argument not apply to the "anonymous" corporations mentioned in the article?
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your thoughts are not old school at all. The Constitution initially left it up to the states to determine who was eligible to vote and most states restricted voting to white, male, property owners - thus requiring a deed of property to register. NJ was pretty progressive allowing women to vote if they had property. Identification and Soviet papers are two completely different things. In the Soviet Union and in China…
What changed such that nobody knows anybody anymore, even in small towns?
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
To the contrary: There were only four known cases of voter fraud in the 2016 elections[0]; more stringent voting requirements suppresses voting, especially by poor, black and/or Latinx voters.[1] It certainly seems the case that more damage has been done to society via corporations to which no human person can be associated than by voter fraud. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-... [1] h…
I wish I could read the second link, but not interested in bypassing their income (and not interested enough to pay them :) ) I'd like to know their research. I had to sign up with my address, and I have to prove my identity when I vote. That all seems perfectly reasonable to me. Even a low-tech ink mark used by some places seems perfectly fine. The law is full of tradeoffs, and I think proving you have voted only on…
If you are not going to pay them, and not going to view it -- then they lost the income -- you might as well bypass the pay wall..