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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by elliekelly »

dangerface wrote: post #116

> UK made illegal copies of classified personal information from a database reserved for members of the passport-free Schengen travel zone. The UK is not in the Schengen travel zone and had no right to be accessing the data or sharing it with other foreign powers. The problem is that too much power is collected in one place that encourages bad actors to weaken security so that they can later do a grab and dash with "…

Sooo who gets hit with a bigger GDPR fine? The UK government, for collecting/processing personal data without consent? Or the European Commission for failing to timely notify individuals impacted by a personal data breach?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn »

tom_mellior wrote: post #31
karl_schlagenfu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is ironic because some of the reasons Brits want to leave is because of the French, e.g. why does the EU parliament have to spend 100million+ EUR to have the parliament in Strasbourg for 3 days of the month?

Most of the EU agrees that the Strasbourg sessions are dumb, but I challenge you to find a single prominent Brexiteer who cited this (or anything else directly related to France) as a reason to leave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLp7LtXmy68

02:35 - "But once a month, do you know what happens? They load the contents of our offices and papers into big, plastic trunks, and they put those trunks on lorries, and they drive them nearly 400 miles down Europe’s motorways to a French city called Strasbourg where, for four days, the contents of our offices, and our papers, are put into a new office, and the parliament then sits there..."

(Given, this video was shot after the election, not before, but Nigel Farage most likely spoke about this before too.)

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by _Understated_ »

tomxor wrote: post #90
_Understated_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media... What? There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out". As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyw…

> if that's their source then hell-mend them. Social media is an echo chamber. It's not designed for two-sided debates. I think you are writing off a huge portion of people because their manipulation is convenient and happens to fit your opinion. The effects of manipulation through social media are a real and significant societal problem that undermine any type of democratic process. It is particularly vulnerable whe…

This is nothing to do with my opinion... Social media is an echo chamber. Plain and simple. Opposing views are unwelcome!

Here's a small test for you: go into an anti-vax group on FB and present a reasoned argument as to why vaccines are safe.

You will be annihilated!

If people believe their social media was manipulated they either need to stop using it or at least stop believing it.

If they can't do that then how do you hope to have a reasoned debate about the pro's and con's of Brexit?

I don't disagree that the Brexit thing was a joke from start to finish but we are talking about politicians here. Everything is a game to them and in my opinion as a group they are inherently untrustworthy.

I honestly do not believe you will ever hear the truth from either side. Or if you do, it will be drowned out by the noise.

FWIW I think social media is societal cancer to put it mildly.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by eecc »

miahi wrote: post #190
dillonmckay wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think they have both a blacklist and a whitelist?

The SIS database is 100% blacklist - people who should be stopped at the border, arrested, reported or followed, objects that should be seized (like stolen cars), objects that prompt for more inquiries (like stolen/lost passports). Source: worked on SIS

And on what basis is a person added to this database? I'm referring to the "reported and followed".

Activists perhaps?

You know, those perfectly legitimate parties that rapidly tend to get labelled "terrorists" because reasons.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by mieseratte »

tomxor wrote: post #29
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

> the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media,

Having not invested the time, just what kinds of manipulations are we talking?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by zaat »

eecc wrote: post #205
miahi wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The SIS database is 100% blacklist - people who should be stopped at the border, arrested, reported or followed, objects that should be seized (like stolen cars), objects that prompt for more inquiries (like stolen/lost passports). Source: worked on SIS

And on what basis is a person added to this database? I'm referring to the "reported and followed". Activists perhaps? You know, those perfectly legitimate parties that rapidly tend to get labelled "terrorists" because reasons.

A dismissive cynical attitude helps no one. Sure, some perhaps many, people are corrupt and exercise power given to them for wrong ends. Nevertheless, at large, people want law enforcement, they want stolen goods returned to them, they want criminals to be stopped. You have better suggestion to maintain law and order?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by free652 »

swebs wrote: post #146
vinay427 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but it's worth mentioning that unlike the US and perhaps Ireland, countries in the Schengen area are required to issue passports containing fingerprint data, though most (all?) do not have a centralized database of citizens' fingerprints. The Netherlands planned to create a centralized store but it seems to face public opposition.

I'm pretty sure modern USA passports require fingerprint data. They at least have the pokeball symbol signaling that it contains biometrics.

Negative, US passports don't have fingerprints (in the chip).

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by southerntofu »

zaat wrote: post #207
eecc wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And on what basis is a person added to this database? I'm referring to the "reported and followed". Activists perhaps? You know, those perfectly legitimate parties that rapidly tend to get labelled "terrorists" because reasons.

A dismissive cynical attitude helps no one. Sure, some perhaps many, people are corrupt and exercise power given to them for wrong ends. Nevertheless, at large, people want law enforcement, they want stolen goods returned to them, they want criminals to be stopped. You have better suggestion to maintain law and order?

> Sure, some perhaps many, people are corrupt and exercise power given to them for wrong ends.

That's in the nature of power dynamics. Not abusing power is the exception to the rule.

> You have better suggestion to maintain law and order?

I think having the rules decided upon and enforced by the people (not some centralized institution that's disconnected from the social fabric) would help a lot.

What would help even more is to address the roots of criminality. There are for example many studies in the past two centuries showing that social inequalities necessarily lead to theft and violence (whether institutionalized or de facto), and that reducing unemployment (not with shitty uberized jobs) is an effective way to lower crime rates, if that is your objective.

Other root causes include the repression itself of crime: prisons and psychiatric hospitals are themselves fostering very violent human interactions.

Emma Goldman had a very good piece back in 1911 on prison as part of the problem:

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/aando/...

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