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Re: How Turkey Purged Its Intellectuals

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Post by m00dy » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 1:11 PM UTC

chr1 wrote: post #211

m00dy wrote: post #205

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PKK killed a Turkish Diplomat in Northern Iraq last week [0]. You can't really explain this by lack of free speech or human rights. There are many cases like this in Turkey's history where innocent people get assassinated by some cowards. [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-sh...

That is horrible, but a supporter of PKK would reply that Turkish army have killed and displaced Kurds in Afrin. War is an ugly thing, and everyone involved loses from it. The way free speech and human rights can help, is the same way it helped with conflicts in Europe. The country where speaking in kurdish can get an MP sentenced to 15 years for "separatist speech", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurd…

I agree to disagree. There are many ways to reach the ultimate reality. Unfortunalty, yours looks a bit flawed.

Re: How Turkey Purged Its Intellectuals

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Post by chr1 » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 6:59 AM UTC

m00dy wrote: post #221

chr1 wrote: post #211

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That is horrible, but a supporter of PKK would reply that Turkish army have killed and displaced Kurds in Afrin. War is an ugly thing, and everyone involved loses from it. The way free speech and human rights can help, is the same way it helped with conflicts in Europe. The country where speaking in kurdish can get an MP sentenced to 15 years for "separatist speech", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurd…

I agree to disagree. There are many ways to reach the ultimate reality. Unfortunalty, yours looks a bit flawed.

Could you please tell with what exactly you disagree.

Re: How Turkey Purged Its Intellectuals

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Post by chr1 » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 7:58 AM UTC

tuvan wrote: post #188

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Do you know of any cases where anyone in America called someone "Mexican" as an insult? Could someone file a lawsuit because he was called "Mexican"? I don't think so, and i don't think USA and Turkey are comparable. PKK and Kurds want to have their own country, that's natural, every nation wants that, and if history have taken a bit different path Turks could be in the same situation. If there was free speech in Tur…

Kurds have an independent country, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan In this day and age, seperatist referandums are just dreams. Kurdistan Kurds had a referandum to declare complete independence from Iraq with 90%+ in favor of independance but they couldn’t make that recognized by international parties, even with Iraq having no practical government. And we saw what happened when Catalans attempted the…

Kurds have independent country only on part of their historic territory. Turkey being independent didn't hinder turks to take half of Cyprus where Turks were not even majority, unlike the territory claimed by Kurds, where Kurds are majority because Turkey was too effective in getting rid of Armenians and Assyrians.

You are correct that existing states are very reluctant to recognize new countries, but my point is that a mere glimmer of hope is enough so significantly reduce terrorism like it with Basque country for instance.

> Though considering the elections in April Erdogans party got more votes in south eastern Turkey than pro PKK HDP. It is very easy to see that Kurds prefer Erdogan over PKK.

That or maybe people with guns supporting Erdoghans party were effective https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections#V...

Re: How Turkey Purged Its Intellectuals

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Post by itsgrimetime » Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 4:47 PM UTC

tomohawk wrote: post #158

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> Deplatforming is just bad. If you can't win your argument without getting rid of anyone who disagrees with you, what does that say? You're wrong about this. If you think that the best ideas naturally win out you're either ignorant (think of how fast bad ideas can spread), or purposefully pushing this "both sides"/horseshoe theory/false equivalence to further impede those who are actually trying to stop fascism. The…

Carlos Maza is not a journalist. He's an activist posing as a journalist who advocates deplatforming people, covers for antifa, and is ok with violence being used to silence people. Antifa is a group who thinks it is OK to use violence against people they disagree with. They end up actually being a fascist organization.

You misunderstand what fascism is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism