Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 238 posts

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#31

Post by tom_mellior »

karl_schlagenfu wrote: post #21
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Which is ironic because some of the reasons Brits want to leave is because of the French, e.g. why does the EU parliament have to spend 100million+ EUR to have the parliament in Strasbourg for 3 days of the month?

Most of the EU agrees that the Strasbourg sessions are dumb, but I challenge you to find a single prominent Brexiteer who cited this (or anything else directly related to France) as a reason to leave.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#32

Post by onetimemanytime »

draugadrotten wrote: post #4

This begs the question if UK/EU got a copy of all the US citizens ' fingerprints in return. It is possible to commit treason against your own country. Can someone commit treason against the EU? Is it a criminal offense?

Odds are that NSA already has them, but this makes it legal.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#33

Post by Zenst »

tomxor wrote: post #29
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

Yes the mindset of racist/xenophobes and small minded people often take a small outliner and project that upon the group as a whole. I feel you may be on the verge of an epiphany.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#34

Post by pimmen »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

I’m Swedish and we are one of the allies of the UK in that we fought together to grant each other exceptions. I would love for us to become more integrated with the rest of the continent.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#35

Post by gingabriska »

2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

UK along with its overseas territories are biggest investor in US stock.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#36

Post by julienfr112 »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

As also a French, I think the French are expecting too much from the EU and that this hope is vain because most of the other countries are quite happy the way EU is right now (and as such, they don't care if it is stuck by Brexit or whatever).

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#37

Post by arethuza »

noir_lord wrote: post #6
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

Not much to think about we completely and totally are. One of the things that came out of Snowden releases was just how bloody efficient and interconnectef GCHQ is with the NSA. It's rather typical that the most efficient government body appears to be the one used for spying on its own (and everyone else's) citizens. It's ok though as the new home secretary is a stable and sensible...no wait it's Priti "I had to resi…

I had a phone call with the Inland Revenue where they collected most of my details by an automated voice based system - which worked flawlessly.

This came as a slight surprise as literally no other voice activated system works for me in any way that is remotely usable (Apple, Android, whatever is in my car...).

I wonder where they get their voice recognition technology from? ;-)

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#39

Post by walligatorrr »

hnhg wrote: post #26
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Maybe just sabotage some federal aspirations but also did a lot to enhance and enlarge the free market aspects. What did France meaningfully contribute so we have a baseline for comparison?

France was a founding member of ECSC proposed by Robert Schuman, french prime minister, created by the Paris treaty and regarded as the premise of nowadays European union and expanded to up to 28 countries. France played an instrumental/leading role in building the very idea of a community of nations in europe. The contributions of that country toward European institutions are literally countless, but let’s name a few major ones: a shared currency (€), schengen area and absolute freedom of movement for citizens, goods, services and capital (none of which UK took part of). No one can sensibly deny France contributions to pretty much any regulation, judicial/defense/scholar/research/scientific cooperations.

I’m not saying UK played absolutely no role in building these institutions, but they’ve always displayed some reluctancy for further integration. Just fyi, France and Germany have been compensating since the 70s the budget contribution UK refused to make.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

#40

Post by toyg »

Zenst wrote: post #30
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

I will agree the UK has never really embraced the whole EU project as it has become. I also agree that in many votes, the UK has been the stumbling block and with that did anybody in the UK and those wanting to keep the UK in the EU ever asked themselves - what is best for the EU? I did and that is why I voted leave myself - better for the EU and the UK. That was my reason for voting as I did. Equally, many area's in…

This is a bit uncharitable.

The UK helped the EU be more dynamic than it otherwise might have been, avoiding a certain French big-state mindset that could have seen eurobureaucracy really run riot on national laws. It definitely attracted capital investments from across the globe into the EU market, and it relieved some of the unemployment pressure in poorer countries thanks to a very dynamic labor market.

Obviously there have been sore points (complete opposition to real federalism, coordinated defence, and fighting dirty money / tax evasion), but overall both the UK and EU members have benefited from working together. Brexit is a lose-lose scenario that we will all have to endure rather than enjoy, whichever side of the fence we sit on.

Post reply on HN