Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account • Hacker News Board

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by fooey » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:58 PM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

Veritas is tabloid propaganda. They have less than zero credibility.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by bufferoverflow » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #58

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

Project Veritas is in no way a reliable source on political issues. Both it and its founder have a long record of being exposed committing fraud.

I understand you're trying to do character assassination. Thankfully, we have actual videos of google insiders.

I also trust my own eyes, I see which political side gets banned en masse by Google, Twitter, FB and other large Silicon Valley companies. Are you going to deny this too?

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by writepub » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

belltaco wrote: post #21

cwkoss wrote: post #17

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> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

It becomes illegal and election interference when that Corp is a monopoly with effective control of speech and discovery on the internet. No law entitles Google to gaslight America and interfere with democracy.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by bufferoverflow » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

fooey wrote: post #61

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

Veritas is tabloid propaganda. They have less than zero credibility.

You realize the rightwingers say the same about CNN, NYT, and other "reputable" sources? They are all dirty, on all sides. Thankfully, we have videos, so we don't have to rely on anybody's reputation.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by theturtletalks » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

nova22033 wrote: post #57

ex1710_01 wrote: post #52

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Google is a monopoly. Fox News is not.

How is google a monopoly? Every day we have people on HN telling us how they switched to bing or DDG.

Is HN a good indication of the total search market? 99% of the people I interact with don't even know about DDG or how to change the default search engine on their browsers.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by jhayward » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:04 PM UTC

taytus wrote: post #23

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

>Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe. I'm not saying that she is right but it's not hard to believe at all.

It's called 'gaming the refs'.

It is a prominent tactic among certain american political circles that wish to claim that everyone else is abusing them while never actually believing in the system of rights, checks, and balances that they claim are being abused in the first place.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by roywiggins » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:04 PM UTC

rwc wrote: post #55

cwkoss wrote: post #33

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Would it be legal for Fox News to price political ads based on whether they agree with the bias?

It is not legal.

Under what law?

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by favorited » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

Natsu wrote: post #18

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

They've been caught on camera several times now talking about wanting to influence the elections. I keep that in mind when considering their excuses. Sort of like how Bernie got locked out of DNC databases during the last campaign, etc., it gets hard to believe all the coincidences sometimes.

> Sort of like how Bernie got locked out of DNC databases

You mean after his staff got caught snooping around Hillary's campaign data?

https://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data...

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by roywiggins » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

writepub wrote: post #63

belltaco wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

It becomes illegal and election interference when that Corp is a monopoly with effective control of speech and discovery on the internet. No law entitles Google to gaslight America and interfere with democracy.

Under what law?

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by abstract7 » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 8:06 PM UTC

Tulsi is the most prominent Democrat presidential candidate that the media often says has conservative views. She is also broadly considered anti-establishment. Are there any establishment Democrat candidates (e.g. Harvard and Yale Law faculty member and senior senator Warren) to date that have had their Google ad accounts suspended by an 'unbiased' algorithm?